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joshwex90 Jul 5, 2015 8:31 am

Security/Customs/Immigration when Transiting Schengen Countries
 
I have some upcoming travel and realize I've never encountered travel like this before, so questions regarding re-clearing security, claiming luggage, and clearing both immigration and customs

Some examples of flights include:
  • TLV-ZRH-FRA (flying from non-EU/Schengen to Schengen/EU via Schengen/non-EU)
  • TLV-FCO-MXP (flying from non-EU/Schengen to Schengen/EU via Schengen/EU)
  • TLV-LHR-BCN (flying from non-EU/Schengen to Schengen/EU via non-Schengen/EU)
  • TLV-LHR-MAN (flying from non-EU/Schengen to non-Schengen/EU via non-Schengen/EU)

And the same for the reverse.

Can someone point me to either a thread or website that discusses these types of flights?
  • When do I clear passport control in the different cases?
  • Do I claim my bags at the same time as clearing passport control or at final destination?
  • If I claim my bags at the final destination, how does that work for customs issues?
  • Are all Schengen and EU countries considered 1 "secure zone" (a la the USA)?

Thanks in advance

GUWonder Jul 5, 2015 10:00 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 25072090)
I have some upcoming travel and realize I've never encountered travel like this before, so questions regarding re-clearing security, claiming luggage, and clearing both immigration and customs

Some examples of flights include:
  • TLV-ZRH-FRA (flying from non-EU/Schengen to Schengen/EU via Schengen/non-EU)
  • TLV-FCO-MXP (flying from non-EU/Schengen to Schengen/EU via Schengen/EU)
  • TLV-LHR-BCN (flying from non-EU/Schengen to Schengen/EU via non-Schengen/EU)
  • TLV-LHR-MAN (flying from non-EU/Schengen to non-Schengen/EU via non-Schengen/EU)

And the same for the reverse.

Can someone point me to either a thread or website that discusses these types of flights?
  • When do I clear passport control in the different cases?
  • Do I claim my bags at the same time as clearing passport control or at final destination?
  • If I claim my bags at the final destination, how does that work for customs issues?
  • Are all Schengen and EU countries considered 1 "secure zone" (a la the USA)?

Thanks in advance

Clear passport control in ZRH, FCO, LHR and LHR, respectively for the trips from TLV.

Clear customs for checked luggage at the final destination airport. This assumes the trips are on a single ticketed PNR.

Clear passport control on the return in ZRH, FCO, LHR and BCN, respectively, for reverse routings to get back to TLV.

All Schengen countries are generally considered a single secure zone for security screening purposes, but the UK always requires non-UK/IRL CTA passengers to reclear security screening at UK transit airports even as some EU Schengen airports do not require the same for transit passengers coming in from the UK/IRL CTA-originating flights. In other words, various Schengen countries may be fine with trusting UK/IRL security screening as being of the same secure zone as Schengen, but the immigration (and sometimes even customs) layout at the airport may make for different security screening treatment than for Schengen-Schengen transit passengers.

joshwex90 Jul 5, 2015 10:13 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 25072428)
Clear passport control in ZRH, FCO, LHR and LHR, respectively for the trips from TLV.

Clear customs for checked luggage at the final destination airport. This assumes the trips are on a single ticketed PNR.

Clear passport control on the return in ZRH, FCO, LHR and BCN, respectively, for reverse routings to get back to TLV.

All Schengen countries are generally considered a single secure zone for security screening purposes, but the UK always requires non-UK/IRL CTA passengers to reclear security screening at UK transit airports even as some EU Schengen airports do not require the same for transit passengers coming in from the UK/IRL CTA-originating flights. In other words, various Schengen countries may be fine with trusting UK/IRL security screening as being of the same secure zone as Schengen, but the immigration (and sometimes even customs) layout at the airport may make for different security screening treatment than for Schengen-Schengen transit passengers.

If I've cleared passport control at my first port of entry, how does that work with customs? Meaning, I assume I'll be coming off the plane with people who don't need to clear customs - how do they differentiate?

(Regarding customs - is it for any international flight or for any flight from non-EU to EU? Meaning, would FRA-LHR need to clear customs?)

CKDGM Jul 5, 2015 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 25072476)
If I've cleared passport control at my first port of entry, how does that work with customs? Meaning, I assume I'll be coming off the plane with people who don't need to clear customs - how do they differentiate?

(Regarding customs - is it for any international flight or for any flight from non-EU to EU? Meaning, would FRA-LHR need to clear customs?)

At EU airports, there are generally three exit lanes from the baggage hall for customs:
  • Green - nothing to declare
  • Red - items to declare
  • Blue - intra-EU travel not subject to customs

If you originate within the EU your bag tags will have green stripes on them to indicate this. Naturally, green stripes mean you use the blue lane to exit. :D

alanR Jul 5, 2015 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by guwonder (Post 25072428)
clear passport control in zrh, fco, lhr and lhr, respectively for the trips from tlv.

zrh, fco, BCN, lhr.

Luggage is checked through to final destination where Customs occurs, you will pass through security checks at all the intermediate airports

joshwex90 Jul 5, 2015 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by CKDGM (Post 25072886)
At EU airports, there are generally three exit lanes from the baggage hall for customs:
  • Green - nothing to declare
  • Red - items to declare
  • Blue - intra-EU travel not subject to customs

If you originate within the EU your bag tags will have green stripes on them to indicate this. Naturally, green stripes mean you use the blue lane to exit. :D

Never noticed before! I assume that the green stripe is only if you originate in the EU AND your destination is in the EU? Because I don't recall ever getting a green stripe and I've originated in the EU before (just never on an EU-EU flight)


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 25073045)
Luggage is checked through to final destination where Customs occurs, you will pass through security checks at all the intermediate airports

Even on the return, such as BCN-LHR-TLV?

GUWonder Jul 5, 2015 3:00 pm

Even on the return, yes, if speaking of BA/IB.


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 25073045)
zrh, fco, BCN, lhr.

Luggage is checked through to final destination where Customs occurs, you will pass through security checks at all the intermediate airports

Yes, thanks for the correction.


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 25073483)
Never noticed before! I assume that the green stripe is only if you originate in the EU AND your destination is in the EU? Because I don't recall ever getting a green stripe and I've originated in the EU before (just never on an EU-EU flight)

When checking in my bags at an EU airport, I have sometimes gotten the green striped tags for my U.S.-bound non-stop flight from the EU.

I see green-striped and purple/red-striped bags bags arriving on my baggage claim belts at US airports of entry, including at such airports such as MSP and DEN.

Sjoerd Jul 15, 2015 11:14 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 25073539)
When checking in my bags at an EU airport, I have sometimes gotten the green striped tags for my U.S.-bound non-stop flight from the EU.

I see green-striped and purple/red-striped bags bags arriving on my baggage claim belts at US airports of entry, including at such airports such as MSP and DEN.

When your first port of departure is in the EU you should always get the green striped baggage tags. Doesn't matter where you are flying to.

guflyer Jul 15, 2015 3:52 pm

Sjoerd, I thought that what you wrote was correct but on my last international trip from PRG to ORD (with a stopover in JFK) on DL, the green stripes were not on the baggage tag. Is this because it was on DL (a non-European airline)? I actually was thinking about how if my flight was cancelled and I had to reclaim my bag, it would likely then not allow me to go through the blue exit (although some European airports, which I think may include PRG seem to combine the blue and green lanes together).

joshwex90 Jul 16, 2015 2:30 am

I don't remember getting green stripes on flights originating in the EU from both EU and non-EU airlines (LY, BA, LX, SN to name a few)

IAD_flyer Jul 19, 2015 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 25122758)
Sjoerd, I thought that what you wrote was correct but on my last international trip from PRG to ORD (with a stopover in JFK) on DL, the green stripes were not on the baggage tag. Is this because it was on DL (a non-European airline)? I actually was thinking about how if my flight was cancelled and I had to reclaim my bag, it would likely then not allow me to go through the blue exit (although some European airports, which I think may include PRG seem to combine the blue and green lanes together).

I think the way it works is that intra-european flight paxs must get a green stripe. Airlines may also give non-european flight paxs a green stripe if they wish to allow them to only stock one type of bag tag print stock and use the same printers for both types of flights. DL does not care and just use their baseline bag tag print stock from back home as they do not operate 5th freedom flights in Europe.

Upon Boarding Jul 16, 2018 2:10 pm

One of my friends is traveling on KL from PBM to AMS and then on a different ticket directly on CX from AMS to HKG and MNL. How can she travel with 2 checked bags if she doesn't have a Schengen visa? She cannot pick up the bags and check them in again In AMS right?

TWA884 Jul 16, 2018 3:49 pm

Moderator's Action
 
Schengen transit, connections and visa requirements are generally discussed in the Europe forum.

For indexing and future search purposes, please follow this thread as it moves there.

TWA884
Travel Safety/Security co-moderator

Ditto Jul 17, 2018 12:45 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 25072476)
If I've cleared passport control at my first port of entry, how does that work with customs? Meaning, I assume I'll be coming off the plane with people who don't need to clear customs - how do they differentiate?

(Regarding customs - is it for any international flight or for any flight from non-EU to EU? Meaning, would FRA-LHR need to clear customs?)

Theoretically you clear customs for your hand luggage at the EU port of entry, and for your checked luggage at the final destination. The theoretical part is because you will have hard time finding customs officials when transiting through most EU airports.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...r_en#controles

joshwex90 Jul 17, 2018 1:42 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd (Post 25121362)
When your first port of departure is in the EU you should always get the green striped baggage tags. Doesn't matter where you are flying to.

Years later but when departing the EU to a non-EU destination, I have never gotten a green stripe.


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