F cabin to the Far East
Oct 9, 2019, 9:08 am
#3
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SIN, ICN...
Very few F destinations, seems like EY is probably going to kill off F as they couldn't even send it to NRT (the most premium asian destination).
I would never book F from the western European gateways only to end up in J on more than half the journey.
Very few F destinations, seems like EY is probably going to kill off F as they couldn't even send it to NRT (the most premium asian destination).
I would never book F from the western European gateways only to end up in J on more than half the journey.
Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 am
#4
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Ah, completely forgot about ICN (and it's my home city as well) 
If I was to guess, I'd imagine that paid F demand out of Tokyo will naturally gravitate towards JL and NH - it's mostly corporate travel as far as I know, who would not put up with a stop in the Middle East, unless it's EK where you can get a 1-stop connection to a lot of places where you would also otherwise have to connect in a major European hub anyway.
If I was to guess, I'd imagine that paid F demand out of Tokyo will naturally gravitate towards JL and NH - it's mostly corporate travel as far as I know, who would not put up with a stop in the Middle East, unless it's EK where you can get a 1-stop connection to a lot of places where you would also otherwise have to connect in a major European hub anyway.
Oct 9, 2019, 8:24 pm
#8
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Emirates sells F well because they are committed to it but EY are not. So its dead in the water except some routes that will always have F demand (LHR for example). Shame. I would definitely have still flown EY (
) if they had better F options to SE Asia. Another fail...:-:
) if they had better F options to SE Asia. Another fail...:-:
Oct 9, 2019, 9:23 pm
#9
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Oct 9, 2019, 9:32 pm
#10
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Did a mileage run last year and seemed like a letdown to most travellers, esp those whod experienced business studio. F booking wouldn't be an option to BKK from Europe, so EY would probaby still struggle with F to an extent on the European routes.
F was non-existant for me 90% of the time for obvious reasons (a320) when I used to fly EY. Now with EK, I get F to MAA every once in a while and I'm still in awe with it, especially the newer aircraft.
Oct 10, 2019, 4:25 am
#11
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Not range issues but there's just a lack of demand and EY don't have too many 380s
I know that you fly to HKT, are EY still sending decrepit old birds there with first gen seats?
Did a mileage run last year and seemed like a letdown to most travellers, esp those whod experienced business studio. F booking wouldn't be an option to BKK from Europe, so EY would probaby still struggle with F to an extent on the European routes.
F was non-existant for me 90% of the time for obvious reasons (a320) when I used to fly EY. Now with EK, I get F to MAA every once in a while and I'm still in awe with it, especially the newer aircraft.
I know that you fly to HKT, are EY still sending decrepit old birds there with first gen seats?
Did a mileage run last year and seemed like a letdown to most travellers, esp those whod experienced business studio. F booking wouldn't be an option to BKK from Europe, so EY would probaby still struggle with F to an extent on the European routes.
F was non-existant for me 90% of the time for obvious reasons (a320) when I used to fly EY. Now with EK, I get F to MAA every once in a while and I'm still in awe with it, especially the newer aircraft.
I flew CX J via HKG, which suits me just fine (as I have no time restrictions or the need to work
) & it allows maintenance of One World Emerald too.
Oct 10, 2019, 7:07 am
#12
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They do send a Dreamliner (Y & J only) to HKT these days with Business Studio, it seems. Indeed Mrs NoY is on the flight tomorrow in J to meet me here in HKT. Sometimes its a knackered A330/B777 with "classic" J flat seats. Not so good.
I flew CX J via HKG, which suits me just fine (as I have no time restrictions or the need to work) & it allows maintenance of One World Emerald too.
I flew CX J via HKG, which suits me just fine (as I have no time restrictions or the need to work
) & it allows maintenance of One World Emerald too. ^MAA still gets the A320 and the daytime (2PM) frequency is gone, leaving only the redeye (2AM).
Now that I'm based in CBG, I take the STN-DXB flight quite often, buying J and using Skywards miles to upgrade to F (I must say, the most useful use of them).
While the new F is amazing, the new J is also better then it may seem on paper - with extremely comfortable seats, akin to a new S class or a Flying Spur. I'm not sure if these are going to HKT however.
Oct 10, 2019, 3:25 pm
#13
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On a recent trip to BKK the 777-300 was replaced with a 787 which had first . Last year a 777 was replaced with an old 330 which also had first , no seats were selling as first though . On both occasions this was on the late evening flight out of AUH . I think Etihad look at the load factor for the outward and return leg on both the late morning and last evening flight and put the most suitable aircraft to use , which surprisingly ( for Etihad ) makes sense
Oct 10, 2019, 6:23 pm
#14
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^MAA still gets the A320 and the daytime (2PM) frequency is gone, leaving only the redeye (2AM).
Now that I'm based in CBG, I take the STN-DXB flight quite often, buying J and using Skywards miles to upgrade to F (I must say, the most useful use of them).
While the new F is amazing, the new J is also better then it may seem on paper - with extremely comfortable seats, akin to a new S class or a Flying Spur. I'm not sure if these are going to HKT however.
YMMV, naturally!
Oct 10, 2019, 9:04 pm
#15
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I think that EK has a different approach, with differentiated F and J. I'd go so far as to say that the majority of the worlds paid F ia on EK. What Qatar, Oman Air and to a slighly lesser extent Etihad believe in is not investing in F, as is evident by the lack of the same on most routes. Does EK offer a chauffeur at HKT? I've had one at BKK before, a very nice S Class.