EK 407 Emergengy at MEL
May 21, 2009, 1:09 am
#47
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May 21, 2009, 5:20 pm
#48
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I suspect that no one other than the pilots knew how close they come to crashing until a few days after the incident.
Cheers,
Rick
Jun 18, 2009, 6:06 pm
#49
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New report today in Melbourne Herald-Sun about repair plans for aircraft. It will be one of the most comprehensive in history and includes flying from MEL to Toulouse unpressurised:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...8-2862,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...8-2862,00.html
Jun 18, 2009, 6:13 pm
#50
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New report today in Melbourne Herald-Sun about repair plans for aircraft. It will be one of the most comprehensive in history and includes flying from MEL to Toulouse unpressurised:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...8-2862,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...8-2862,00.html
$100m repair bill for damaged Air Emirates A350
Jun 18, 2009, 6:42 pm
#51
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After reading all the articles, I too will certainly think twice before I board an EK flight. Yes - culture and quality impacts human decisions and to me, human decisions made under any duress that involves my safety counts for something.
Jun 18, 2009, 7:38 pm
#52
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Very impressive, repairing a plane that's not off the drawing board yet.
$100m repair bill for damaged Air Emirates A350
$100m repair bill for damaged Air Emirates A350
Tally Ho!
PS typical news reporting on avation...
Jun 21, 2009, 12:00 am
#53
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It flew out of Melbourne at 11am Friday under an airbus callsign. A long trip at 10,000 feet. I hope they don't encounter any storms at such a low level.
Take off ... at last
Take off ... at last
Originally Posted by Sunday Herald-Sun
THE Emirates jet that almost crashed at Melbourne Airport with 275 people on board has begun a long and slow journey to France for a $100 million repair job.
The Airbus A340-500 flew from Melbourne Airport at 11am on Friday, with temporary repairs completed on its badly damaged tail.
The low-key departure came 91 days after the accident,
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It is understood Airbus pilots flew to Australia to ferry the aircraft back to France. It was given an Airbus call-sign - AIB-608 - as it left Melbourne, and needed a permit from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority before it could take off.
Melbourne Airport refused to reveal when the flight was leaving.
Air-traffic controllers have yet to decide whether to ask Emirates to pay for the damage caused to their navigation system in the accident.
The Airbus A340-500 flew from Melbourne Airport at 11am on Friday, with temporary repairs completed on its badly damaged tail.
The low-key departure came 91 days after the accident,
....
It is understood Airbus pilots flew to Australia to ferry the aircraft back to France. It was given an Airbus call-sign - AIB-608 - as it left Melbourne, and needed a permit from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority before it could take off.
Melbourne Airport refused to reveal when the flight was leaving.
Air-traffic controllers have yet to decide whether to ask Emirates to pay for the damage caused to their navigation system in the accident.
Jul 12, 2009, 4:15 am
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Interesting article with the pilot from Melbourne Herald-Sun:
"THE pilot at the controls of an Emirates jet that almost crashed at Melbourne Airport has revealed how he saved 275 lives.
Breaking a four-month silence, the pilot told how he managed to wrench the fully-loaded plane into the air just seconds before it almost crashed.
"I still don't know how we got it off the ground," the pilot said.
"I thought we were going to die, it was that close.
"It was the worst thing in 20 years (of flying). It was the worst thing I've felt, but thank God we got it safely around."
The pilot, a 42-year-old European man, spoke to the Sunday Herald Sun on the condition his identity not be revealed.
Realising the plane had not reached a high enough speed to get airborne, and with the end of the runway rapidly approaching, the pilot and co-pilot were desperately checking controls in the cockpit, trying to find out what had gone wrong.
At the last second, the pilot engaged a rapid acceleration known as TOGA (take-off go-around) and lifted the plane off the ground."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...91-661,00.html
"THE pilot at the controls of an Emirates jet that almost crashed at Melbourne Airport has revealed how he saved 275 lives.
Breaking a four-month silence, the pilot told how he managed to wrench the fully-loaded plane into the air just seconds before it almost crashed.
"I still don't know how we got it off the ground," the pilot said.
"I thought we were going to die, it was that close.
"It was the worst thing in 20 years (of flying). It was the worst thing I've felt, but thank God we got it safely around."
The pilot, a 42-year-old European man, spoke to the Sunday Herald Sun on the condition his identity not be revealed.
Realising the plane had not reached a high enough speed to get airborne, and with the end of the runway rapidly approaching, the pilot and co-pilot were desperately checking controls in the cockpit, trying to find out what had gone wrong.
At the last second, the pilot engaged a rapid acceleration known as TOGA (take-off go-around) and lifted the plane off the ground."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...91-661,00.html
Jul 14, 2009, 2:30 am
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From the Melbourne Herald Sun article...
HE had slept for only 3 1/2 hours in the 24 hours before the flight taking off on March 20.
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"I had the flown the maximum in the last 30 days. One hundred hours in 28 days, it's an Emirates rule," he said. "I'd flown 99 hours. You can fly 100 hours in a month."
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HE and his co-pilot were ordered to resign. They were handed pre-prepared letters of resignation when they returned to Emirates headquarters.
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"I had the flown the maximum in the last 30 days. One hundred hours in 28 days, it's an Emirates rule," he said. "I'd flown 99 hours. You can fly 100 hours in a month."
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HE and his co-pilot were ordered to resign. They were handed pre-prepared letters of resignation when they returned to Emirates headquarters.
Sep 13, 2009, 4:33 pm
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Update.
Sorry for ripping up an old thread, but I stumbled upon some update on this incident...
Was reading local news from Denmark, when this came up!
http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=
And after a google search, this came up;
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
Thought it might be of interest...
But sad story anyways!
Was reading local news from Denmark, when this came up!
http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=
And after a google search, this came up;
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
Thought it might be of interest...
But sad story anyways!
Last edited by Rukor; Sep 13, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Dec 17, 2009, 6:00 pm
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Interim report released by ATSB
The investigation has determined that the pre-flight take-off performance calculations were based on an incorrect take-off weight that was inadvertently entered into the take-off performance software on a laptop computer used by the flight crew. Subsequent crosschecks did not detect the incorrect entry and its effect on performance planning.
As a result of this accident, the aircraft operator has undertaken a number of procedural, training and technical initiatives across its fleet and operations with a view to minimising the risk of a recurrence. In addition, the aircraft manufacturer has released a modified version of its performance-planning tool and is developing a software package that automatically checks the consistency of the flight data being entered into the aircraft's flight computers by flight crews.
The investigation has found a number of similar take-off performance-related incidents and accidents around the world…….
The investigation is continuing.
As a result of this accident, the aircraft operator has undertaken a number of procedural, training and technical initiatives across its fleet and operations with a view to minimising the risk of a recurrence. In addition, the aircraft manufacturer has released a modified version of its performance-planning tool and is developing a software package that automatically checks the consistency of the flight data being entered into the aircraft's flight computers by flight crews.
The investigation has found a number of similar take-off performance-related incidents and accidents around the world…….
The investigation is continuing.
The flight crew’s work and sleep history was entered into the Fatigue Avoidance Scheduling Tool (FAST)15 that was originally developed for the US Air Force. The FAST software predicts effective performance using calculations developed from empirical research findings of studies into the effects that wakefulness and circadian rhythms have on cognitive performance. These calculations take into account both work and sleep patterns as well as the quality of sleep.
The output from FAST focuses on establishing an individual’s ‘task effectiveness score’. Both crew members had a score that was near the top of the effectiveness range.
The operator supplied the results from another commercially available fatigue
modelling tool that was used as part of their FRMS. That model used work hours and sleep/wake data to determine an ‘alertness prediction’, and was developed from data collected in laboratory studies and on long-haul flights. Those results correlated with the FAST assessment.
The examination of flight and duty times and fatigue is continuing.
The output from FAST focuses on establishing an individual’s ‘task effectiveness score’. Both crew members had a score that was near the top of the effectiveness range.
The operator supplied the results from another commercially available fatigue
modelling tool that was used as part of their FRMS. That model used work hours and sleep/wake data to determine an ‘alertness prediction’, and was developed from data collected in laboratory studies and on long-haul flights. Those results correlated with the FAST assessment.
The examination of flight and duty times and fatigue is continuing.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...-2009-012.aspx