Third JFK Frequency?
 

JFK-HAM-DXB?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/2710052/

I doubt EK has the traffic rights between Germany and the US.

My comments are similar to those in that thread:

CO will get killed on their EWR-HAM flights. The germans / americans must be nuts to allow 5th freedom rights (if they have / do / will)

Maybe HAM is not doing so well, so they need to send the aircraft all the way to JFK?

Cheers

Provided EK can get the 5th freedom rights I guess HAM-JFK is a good choice. Hamburg is a wealthy "old money" city with few long-haul flights. Citizens usually have to reach the outside world through hubs like FRA. CPH, LHR, CDG and AMS.

It also taps a wide area of Northern Germany along with Berlin (fairly close by fast train) and parts of Denmark.

I have this gut feeling that it will not be a third frequency, but rather the second frequency (that already exists) might be changed to stop in HAM enroute :confused:

Cheers

We now have a supposed schedule for the new flights (from airliners.net)

Cheers

Yes, it is. EK has the freedom traffic rights between Germany and US. Does this mean for EK will able third frequency from DXB-HAM-JFK. I don't quite understand why EK does need more passengers to US flights?

If this is true, the second DXB-HAM flight makes sense now.

I was always wondering how it could be, that HAM can get a second daily flight in october after starting this route only in march.
Even more surprising was the announced big 77W aircraft for this flight - but now it makes sense!

There was a similar rumour a couple of months ago about a 3rd MAN daily, which continued on to IAH. Not heard anything recently.

Cheers,
Rick

It really seems to be coming
 

Although the flight is not yet loaded in Sabre it can be found in EK's internal system starting October 29th.

But I thought the US had a liberal attitude to air traffic rights ?

Also I find that it's easier for foreign carriers to obtain traffic rights into and out of secondary cities which are poorly served by the national airline.

I don't think LH has a single long-haul service from HAM even though it's a wealthy city. HAM believes that LH treats it as a poor relation (in terms of long-haul services) compared to FRA and MUC.

It's now loaded in the GDS:

EK 205 77W
DXB-HAM 08.55-12.55
HAM-JFK 14.40-17.00

EK 206 77W
JFK-HAM 23.15-12.35+1
HAM-DXB 14.15+1-23.25+1

I actually know very little about traffic rights, especially between Germany and the USA that's why I said if they have / do / will. I know that getting rights between New York and other cities (notably LHR) isn't nearly as simple.

Cheers

Well, LHR is a whole different story, thanks to Bermuda II.

Getting NYC-LGW or NYC-STN rights is a snap, as evidenced by airlines like Maxjet or EOS.

I for one welcome the new EK service, because EK offers a so-called Rail and Fly service with Deutsche Bahn which allows you to travel to the airport you're flying from for a flat fee. Given the timing of these flights, I could easily get on a train near FRA in time to make the HAM-JFK flight. And given EK's penchant for attractive fares, this may be a viable option on the FRA-NYC route.

Though that would mean I would have to give up the FRA-JFK flight on SQ.

All these difficult decisions... but I'm all for increased choice!

Isn't it exciting :)

The departure time is interesting. EK202/206 and EK201/205 depart at almost the same time

Cheers