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108912 Aug 8, 2019 6:45 am

Can this be for real??
 
OK I know there are two sides to every story. But, in a nutshell. Customer upgrades himself from economy to business to First class. Twice. Ignores the crew members. Then both verbally AND physically assaults the crew member.

Customer (rightly) arrested. And crew member SUSPENDED?

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/pass...s-up-in-court/

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/news/cr...to-first-class

Jeez

JamesKidd Aug 8, 2019 8:04 am


Originally Posted by 108912 (Post 31393381)
OK I know there are two sides to every story. But, in a nutshell. Customer upgrades himself from economy to business to First class. Twice. Ignores the crew members. Then both verbally AND physically assaults the crew member.

Customer (rightly) arrested. And crew member SUSPENDED?

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/pass...s-up-in-court/

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/news/cr...to-first-class

Jeez

Yes why not. Seems about right to me

108912 Aug 8, 2019 8:53 am


Originally Posted by JamesKidd (Post 31393647)
Yes why not. Seems about right to me

Can you expand why you think it's right the crew member should be suspended for a month with no pay?

Dave Noble Aug 8, 2019 8:55 am


Originally Posted by JamesKidd (Post 31393647)
Yes why not. Seems about right to me

Why does it seem right that the flight attendant be suspended based on hhe information provided?

JamesKidd Aug 8, 2019 9:11 am

EK doesn't have a strong employee protection policy that people in the west are used too. Maybe EK thought she didn't deal with the situation correctly. Go over to pprune and read some of the comments by EK employees (mainly pilots and some CC) - though some of the comments are clearly over exaggeration about doom and gloom, but it is interesting read about working conditions and so forth.

simons1 Aug 8, 2019 3:03 pm

Nothing would surprise me here. Employee protections are limited to zero in Dubai.

Davvidd Aug 8, 2019 3:21 pm

Yes anywhere in the middle east someone with influence always have priority over normal staff. I saw an incident on QR once when a couple of Arab ladies in economy decided to promote themselves to the business class. Business class had the last row empty and they just walked up and lay down and put on a blanket and pretended to sleep. Eventually the crew discovered it and forced them to move back. They had a bit of a time trying to "wake" them up.

skywardhunter Aug 8, 2019 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by dav662 (Post 31395160)
Yes anywhere in the middle east someone with influence always have priority over normal staff. I saw an incident on QR once when a couple of Arab ladies in economy decided to promote themselves to the business class. Business class had the last row empty and they just walked up and lay down and put on a blanket and pretended to sleep. Eventually the crew discovered it and forced them to move back. They had a bit of a time trying to "wake" them up.

So what you're saying is that they didn't get any special treatment

Davvidd Aug 8, 2019 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by skywardhunter (Post 31395284)
So what you're saying is that they didn't get any special treatment

yes on the flight I was on QR they were sent back. I have also seen on another middle eastern airline someone create a fuss and eventually they let one stay in business class. There was a family and the mother who was disabled was in business class and one of the daughters wanted to stay in business class with the mother and after some heated talk she was allowed to stay in business class. The point I was trying to make was that I have seen this a few times in the middle eastern airlines with passengers trying to upgrade themselves.

Xlr Aug 8, 2019 6:35 pm

It's weird that she wasn't paid.

Dave Noble Aug 8, 2019 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by Xlr (Post 31395646)
It's weird that she wasn't paid.

If she was suspended, doesn't seem odd that she wasn't paid.

ft101 Aug 8, 2019 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 31395725)
If she was suspended, doesn't seem odd that she wasn't paid.

Not that I think suspension was appropriate anyway, from the information here suspension on full pay would have been a better option than suspension on no pay. A supposition of innocence of any fault is reasonable given what we know.

NoY Aug 8, 2019 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 31395778)
Not that I think suspension was appropriate anyway, from the information here suspension on full pay would have been a better option than suspension on no pay. A supposition of innocence of any fault is reasonable given what we know.

Welcome to the Middle East :(

ft101 Aug 8, 2019 7:46 pm


Originally Posted by NoY (Post 31395804)
Welcome to the Middle East :(

Oh, I knew that was the reason and that I'm giving a Western viewpoint, but in light of this being a predominately Western audience I suppose I thought other posters wouldn't display the prejudice apparently seen here from EK.

Will08 Aug 8, 2019 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by NoY (Post 31395804)
Welcome to the Middle East :(

Precisely..

Right or wrong take the rough with the smooth. If you want better employment law protection go home and work for a lower salary.


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