Emirates signs deal for 40 A330-900s, 30 A350-900s
Feb 16, 2019, 7:32 am
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To be fair, Airbus always used to brand the A330/A340 as 2-2-2 in J i.e. no middle seat so that's exactly what it was designed for. I know many carriers have moved away from this config but a 2-2-2 wouldn't be a squeeze
Feb 16, 2019, 7:52 am
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I meant justify 2-2-2 to themselves in a good way, as opposed to 2-3-2
Feb 22, 2019, 9:47 am
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A bit of random thinking, but have EK been a bit canny here?
The 160 A380s always seemed a bit over ambitious to me. Maybe 100 is a bit more realistic.
The original idea was to return 10 year old A380s to the leasing company, who would then lease or sell them to another airline - as happens with the older EK B77W frames. However, there is obviously no secondary market for the A380, so they'll probably end up getting scrapped. Unless, of course, EK decide to extend the lease for another few years. EK then pay peanuts for the lease extension, and the leasing company are happy as they don't have to worry about scrapping.
BA are still flying 25 year old 747s. So, maybe we'll end up with 20 year old A380s still flying well into the 2030s? EK tend to look after the interiors a bit better than BA, so a full refurb after 10 years should keep the A380s a plane people want to continue to fly on.
The 160 A380s always seemed a bit over ambitious to me. Maybe 100 is a bit more realistic.
The original idea was to return 10 year old A380s to the leasing company, who would then lease or sell them to another airline - as happens with the older EK B77W frames. However, there is obviously no secondary market for the A380, so they'll probably end up getting scrapped. Unless, of course, EK decide to extend the lease for another few years. EK then pay peanuts for the lease extension, and the leasing company are happy as they don't have to worry about scrapping.
BA are still flying 25 year old 747s. So, maybe we'll end up with 20 year old A380s still flying well into the 2030s? EK tend to look after the interiors a bit better than BA, so a full refurb after 10 years should keep the A380s a plane people want to continue to fly on.
Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 pm
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A bit of random thinking, but have EK been a bit canny here?
The 160 A380s always seemed a bit over ambitious to me. Maybe 100 is a bit more realistic.
The original idea was to return 10 year old A380s to the leasing company, who would then lease or sell them to another airline - as happens with the older EK B77W frames. However, there is obviously no secondary market for the A380, so they'll probably end up getting scrapped. Unless, of course, EK decide to extend the lease for another few years. EK then pay peanuts for the lease extension, and the leasing company are happy as they don't have to worry about scrapping.
BA are still flying 25 year old 747s. So, maybe we'll end up with 20 year old A380s still flying well into the 2030s? EK tend to look after the interiors a bit better than BA, so a full refurb after 10 years should keep the A380s a plane people want to continue to fly on.
The 160 A380s always seemed a bit over ambitious to me. Maybe 100 is a bit more realistic.
The original idea was to return 10 year old A380s to the leasing company, who would then lease or sell them to another airline - as happens with the older EK B77W frames. However, there is obviously no secondary market for the A380, so they'll probably end up getting scrapped. Unless, of course, EK decide to extend the lease for another few years. EK then pay peanuts for the lease extension, and the leasing company are happy as they don't have to worry about scrapping.
BA are still flying 25 year old 747s. So, maybe we'll end up with 20 year old A380s still flying well into the 2030s? EK tend to look after the interiors a bit better than BA, so a full refurb after 10 years should keep the A380s a plane people want to continue to fly on.
Feb 22, 2019, 9:34 pm
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Yeah makes sense, its a win win for EK and the leasing company if the number stack up. There might not be a secondary market but everything has value. The lease terms are based on the principle that the lender would get 10 x annual payment plus recoup residual value of aircraft upon disposal. If they can't recoup that residual value then they might decide to sell it for whatever they can get unless the lease extension would be of better value to them.