Will08

I thought this would be a decent route for the crew, there is a great coffee shop just outside the airport. They do a great reese's milkshake, this alone is worth the flight...

cargueiro

Those are much more security incidents than safety ones.

SimpleDXB

Most US destinations are 24hrs. As are Australia layovers. It's ridiculous - ask any cabin crew on the planet outside the ME3 to fly anything over 9-10hrs with a 24hr layover and there would be mutiny.... Remember other airlines get much much more rest in-flight.

SimpleDXB

Eco crew do not work in biz class without being trained to do so (responding to post above)

DYKWIA

I tend to believe an EK purser (who you were responding to). You've been called out before on stating "facts" that turned out to be false.

SimpleDXB

SimpleDXB

What facts were they exactly...?

So much for encouraging diversity of posts again...

QRC3288

Mate, I agree with your sympathy and stance against cutting crews. But I'm quite intimate with Cathay's rostering, and this information you're posting and doubling down on isn't correct. I will only address that part from the perspective of Cathay and explain some of the basics of CX ULH/LH patterns:

1.) Cabin crew: most Cathay ULH/LH patterns (approx 2/3) utilize a 48 hour layover for cabin crew. Give or take a few hours. The typical pattern would be one of Cathay's myriad HKG-Europe midnight departures, 7am arrival to Europe, ~noon departure 2 days later so approx 53 hours for this situation. Given you'll meet up about 3 hours before flight departure, and you have approx 50 hours of rest between duty. To North America a common timing is depart daytime from HKG, arrive N.A. daytime, depart ~50 hours later arrive Hong Kong evening of the 4th day inclusive. I hope this makes sense.
2.) Cockpit crew: This is slightly more complicated for a few operational and base reasons, but the similar Cathay ULH/LH patterns as #1 above whereby a Hong Kong-based cockpit crew are rostered above utilize a 24 hour layover for cockpit crew. Give or take a few hours. Bottom line is they get shorter rest on ULH/LH than the cabin crew. They are on a completely different contract.
3.) Cabin crew: 24 hour layover patterns exist on Cathay for ULH/LH routes. They are not well-received, but they've existed on Cathay for years and continue to exist today. This occurs most often when Cathay has non-daily flights to destinations, and some days are back to back. Current examples include MAD, BCN, CDG daytime flight, one of the YVR frequencies, the upcoming IAD launch (which will be the longest flight in the CX system), among others. BOS, prior to going daily and nearly as long as IAD previously had a 24 hour pattern. And since the hotel is ~40 minutes from the airport, and you must meet a few hours before the flight the next day, crews were really only getting 18-20 hours of rest on the backs of 16 hour flights. IAD will be similar for one of the patterns.
4.) 3 day patterns are infrequent, they also have to do with non-daily flights, usually when a 3 day break exists before the next flight and also for a few other odd reasons. They do exist....but the bottom line is 3 day resting patterns are very uncommon!
5.) Anything above 3 days is virtually unheard of on CX. There are one or two off situations where it's possible, usually relating to delivery flights or first flights, but that's it.

Lest folks get up in arms about #2 , Cathay rosters 4 pilots on all Europe and N.A. flights. They did a trial to LHR with 3 pilots, offering incentives to pilots who signed up for the program, and decided they couldn't make it work.

Anyhow, I hope this clarifies things. The rest of the world may not be so rosy. Although I bet EK crews do work more overall. I completely sympathize with crew rest and am no fan of hearing crews are getting cut fwiw.

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