Incident with female crew member at EBB
Mar 16, 2018, 1:37 am
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Horrible, horrible incident. I hate stories like this. The incident would have affected many people who knew her and those who were in the vicinity.
Mar 16, 2018, 1:39 am
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Usually one might administer first aid but in this case other than a turniquet in case of excessive bleeding no movement until a spine board and neck brace arrive is probably safest. Spinal injuries can easily be exacerbated by untrained movement, one would want to immobilize the spine ASAP to prevent further damage that might lead to paralysis etc.
Mar 16, 2018, 1:59 am
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Usually one might administer first aid but in this case other than a turniquet in case of excessive bleeding no movement until a spine board and neck brace arrive is probably safest. Spinal injuries can easily be exacerbated by untrained movement, one would want to immobilize the spine ASAP to prevent further damage that might lead to paralysis etc.
Usually one might administer first aid but in this case other than a turniquet in case of excessive bleeding no movement until a spine board and neck brace arrive is probably safest. Spinal injuries can easily be exacerbated by untrained movement, one would want to immobilize the spine ASAP to prevent further damage that might lead to paralysis etc.
Correct, there is always a trade off between dealing with a catastrophic bleed - immediate threat to life and not moving a casualty due to a suspected C-Spine.
On some occasions though its plain to see that the injuries sustained are not compatible with life - might explain the standing around.
Mar 16, 2018, 4:10 am
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Correct, there is always a trade off between dealing with a catastrophic bleed - immediate threat to life and not moving a casualty due to a suspected C-Spine.
On some occasions though its plain to see that the injuries sustained are not compatible with life - might explain the standing around.
On some occasions though its plain to see that the injuries sustained are not compatible with life - might explain the standing around.
Mar 16, 2018, 4:30 am
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As to all of the above, the main issue concerns is regarding flight safety, human factors, pilots error, crew distress / personal problems but doing the flight... normally crew should be examined regularly to deem fit to fly, just like pilots do their licence review every 6 months and medical check up every year if I am not mistaken.
Mar 16, 2018, 9:05 am
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I would be hesitant to make such sweeping generalizations. I have received and heard about much better treatment in places like India and Thailand compared to the US/UK. Also, bystanders in developed countries also hesitate to help injured persons due the possible legal ramifications if their intervention causes further injury or even laws that mandate that once you begin aid you now owe a duty of care.
Mar 16, 2018, 10:07 am
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I would be hesitant to make such sweeping generalizations. I have received and heard about much better treatment in places like India and Thailand compared to the US/UK. Also, bystanders in developed countries also hesitate to help injured persons due the possible legal ramifications if their intervention causes further injury or even laws that mandate that once you begin aid you now owe a duty of care.
Mar 16, 2018, 10:58 am
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That is hospital care thou, what about pre-hospital care? I would much rather be in the UK/US or even South Africa then Thailand or India as pre-hospital care is miles ahead. The idea of the UN ambulance service on behalf of the Ugandan government doesn’t sound too appealing. Does Uganda even have a level one trauma centre or any advanced life support ( critical care) paramedics ?
Mar 16, 2018, 3:49 pm
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You can do more harm by moving her. But at least, you can hold hand (without moving it) and try to get her attention until a trained team arrives, even if it seems worthless. (from my younger experience as Fire department First responder)
Mar 17, 2018, 5:33 am
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A very sad incident - and goes to show we should all take care of our mental health.
I’m sure that some may take the opportunity to jump on the employer and use it as a social/political point but from all accounts the individual was a very long standing member of EK staff, and of course we don’t know her personal context.
As for circumstances, I understand it happened just before/during boarding and the crew member opened a disarmed L4, which leans it towards a deliberate act rather than an accident.
As for circumstances, I understand it happened just before/during boarding and the crew member opened a disarmed L4, which leans it towards a deliberate act rather than an accident.
Mar 17, 2018, 12:19 pm
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Twitter sources indicate the died (other tweets not just in that article), also that crew was still required to operate the flight. Is this a turnaround for crew or is there a layover? What about the psychological impact on crew? Some reports that it was a cabin supervisor.
Mar 17, 2018, 12:38 pm
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That is hospital care thou, what about pre-hospital care? I would much rather be in the UK/US or even South Africa then Thailand or India as pre-hospital care is miles ahead. The idea of the UN ambulance service on behalf of the Ugandan government doesn’t sound too appealing. Does Uganda even have a level one trauma centre or any advanced life support ( critical care) paramedics ?
Mar 17, 2018, 3:44 pm
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They do have these facilities, although there aren't many, and they are a good 45km away in Kampala. I'm not aware of any such facilities in the town of Entebbe. However, as it is an expat stronghold, I imagine there are reasonably good facilities close by. Ambulances are a rarity. Perhaps the president could have offered his own personal ambulance!
Mar 18, 2018, 4:53 am
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That is hospital care thou, what about pre-hospital care? I would much rather be in the UK/US or even South Africa then Thailand or India as pre-hospital care is miles ahead. The idea of the UN ambulance service on behalf of the Ugandan government doesn’t sound too appealing. Does Uganda even have a level one trauma centre or any advanced life support ( critical care) paramedics ?
There are a few private hospitals with ambulance services but it is not centralised and very hit and miss.