Emirates seems desperate to generate more revenue
May 11, 2017, 8:09 pm
#46
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Still not very good though. Just flown on EK 18 and it was half empty in economy (I had to change my flight at short notice from Tuesday to Thurday and despite having booked two mo ths ago there was very little fare difference - i had hoped that there would have been only flex tickets available). Similarly apparently there are 100 economy seats on my next flight EK 761 to Joburg.
May 12, 2017, 12:03 am
#47
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Based on my direct experience (18 flights in four years), flights to/from SYD are feast or famine - either 100%, or less than 50% (in Y). It doesn't seem to be a gradual change or even seasonal - I've been on a full flight SYD-DXB and then a half-full flight DXB-SYD a week or so later.
May 12, 2017, 2:46 am
#50
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Location: Economy, mostly :(
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May 12, 2017, 4:23 am
#51
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I can see them going down the Premium Y route though.
May 12, 2017, 8:28 am
#52
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https://www.emirates.com/ae/english/...l-reports.aspx
The FY16-17 report is already published, within 1 day of the results being announced.
GenevaFlyer
May 13, 2017, 6:11 am
#53
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More revenue or less costs ...
In my usual outstation lounge, Perrier and Evian have been replaced by the cheapest local 'brand'.
On board, Voss has been replaced by Evian ...
But, this week, Godiva is back (though I don't know what is the actual impact on costs ...).
May 13, 2017, 6:32 am
#54
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May 13, 2017, 6:39 am
#55
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Location: Economy, mostly :(
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May 13, 2017, 10:35 am
#56
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Still not very good though. Just flown on EK 18 and it was half empty in economy (I had to change my flight at short notice from Tuesday to Thurday and despite having booked two mo ths ago there was very little fare difference - i had hoped that there would have been only flex tickets available). Similarly apparently there are 100 economy seats on my next flight EK 761 to Joburg.
CAA figures for March 17 show 85751 people travelled Manchester - Dubai in that month.
Given 3xA380 per day is roughly 75% occupancy. Doesn't seem bad.
An annual average gives roughly the same picture, so the seasonal downtime is compensated for in the peak months.
May 13, 2017, 12:44 pm
#57
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Probably why decisions aren't made on the basis of one flight.
CAA figures for March 17 show 85751 people travelled Manchester - Dubai in that month.
Given 3xA380 per day is roughly 75% occupancy. Doesn't seem bad.
An annual average gives roughly the same picture, so the seasonal downtime is compensated for in the peak months.
CAA figures for March 17 show 85751 people travelled Manchester - Dubai in that month.
Given 3xA380 per day is roughly 75% occupancy. Doesn't seem bad.
An annual average gives roughly the same picture, so the seasonal downtime is compensated for in the peak months.
May 13, 2017, 1:17 pm
#58
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How do the other airports hold up? I have no idea what they send to Heathrow, but CAA figures are available for loads so a quick calculation will give the percentages.
Though I would think that the capacity of the hold and of the F/J cabins is very important consideration. There must be another determinant other than utilisation, else EK wouldn't have upped the capacity to MAN (albeit we're in the dip with one rotation temporarily a 777).
May 13, 2017, 1:48 pm
#59
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That's interesting.
How do the other airports hold up? I have no idea what they send to Heathrow, but CAA figures are available for loads so a quick calculation will give the percentages.
Though I would think that the capacity of the hold and of the F/J cabins is very important consideration. There must be another determinant other than utilisation, else EK wouldn't have upped the capacity to MAN (albeit we're in the dip with one rotation temporarily a 777).
How do the other airports hold up? I have no idea what they send to Heathrow, but CAA figures are available for loads so a quick calculation will give the percentages.
Though I would think that the capacity of the hold and of the F/J cabins is very important consideration. There must be another determinant other than utilisation, else EK wouldn't have upped the capacity to MAN (albeit we're in the dip with one rotation temporarily a 777).
An A380 can only hold 8 tons of cargo, compared to a 77Ws 23 tons.
EK's current cargo yield is 1.12 USD/kg - but that is similar to other network carriers.
A380s are much more dependent on pax revenue than cargo to be viable.
imho the reason the two reasons that EK continue the frequencies they do to the UK even with the drop in load factors is:
- unavoidable deployment because they have so many A380s
- the UK is their one major O&D source market (apart from intra-GCC): on average you've got more profitable pax for that sector, so it's less of a financial stress to have a 75% plane going to/from the UK than to say, BKK or DPS.
May 13, 2017, 2:24 pm
#60
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LHR had 2.6 million pax to/from Dubai, but we have to discount BA's capacity as well. EK fly 5x daily A380 (489 or 517 pax) and BA I think 2x772 and 1x744. I don't know their config though.
An A380 can only hold 8 tons of cargo, compared to a 77Ws 23 tons.
EK's current cargo yield is 1.12 USD/kg - but that is similar to other network carriers.
A380s are much more dependent on pax revenue than cargo to be viable.
imho the reason the two reasons that EK continue the frequencies they do to the UK even with the drop in load factors is:
- unavoidable deployment because they have so many A380s
- the UK is their one major O&D source market (apart from intra-GCC): on average you've got more profitable pax for that sector, so it's less of a financial stress to have a 75% plane going to/from the UK than to say, BKK or DPS.
An A380 can only hold 8 tons of cargo, compared to a 77Ws 23 tons.
EK's current cargo yield is 1.12 USD/kg - but that is similar to other network carriers.
A380s are much more dependent on pax revenue than cargo to be viable.
imho the reason the two reasons that EK continue the frequencies they do to the UK even with the drop in load factors is:
- unavoidable deployment because they have so many A380s
- the UK is their one major O&D source market (apart from intra-GCC): on average you've got more profitable pax for that sector, so it's less of a financial stress to have a 75% plane going to/from the UK than to say, BKK or DPS.
That cargo figure is interesting - where did you find that?
75% still seems a shockingly high figure to be the breakeven.
Well I am willing to take your word on that, but I do stand by my defence of anecdotal evidence being challenged.