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Old Feb 9, 2012, 10:31 pm
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EK O/D Routes ex DXB

As we all know, EK is an airline that thrives on connecting its passengers via DXB. While O/D does exist, it certainly doesn't seem to be the primary goal of EK (vs airlines like WY, for example).

I was wondering, however, if there are any routes (or even specific flights) for which EK relies on for O/D traffic?

Perhaps some of the middle eastern routes?
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Old Feb 10, 2012, 12:01 am
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Originally Posted by sadiqhassan
As we all know, EK is an airline that thrives on connecting its passengers via DXB. While O/D does exist, it certainly doesn't seem to be the primary goal of EK (vs airlines like WY, for example).

I was wondering, however, if there are any routes (or even specific flights) for which EK relies on for O/D traffic?

Perhaps some of the middle eastern routes?
I think it's a very good question. Perhaps, before the experts chime in, maybe for those who don't know, an explanation on the whole O/D thing (Origin/Destination)

What is an O/D model and why is it difficult to estimate true O/D?

An origin/destination (O/D) model is created to understand the air travellers’ true origins and destinations for any specific airport, city, or region. For example, on a flight from Vancouver International Airport to Los Angeles International Airport there will be numerous passengers with many different origins and destinations.

One passenger may only be travelling from Vancouver to Los Angeles, another could be connecting in Los Angeles to fly to Nadi, Fiji Islands, while a third may have started their journey in Kelowna and connected in Vancouver to travel to Los Angeles and onwards to Bogota, Colombia. In this simple example, the one single flight Vancouver – Los Angeles, serves the demand for at least three different O/D’s: Vancouver – Los Angeles; Vancouver – Nadi; and Kelowna – Bogota.

Measuring only the volume of passengers travelling Vancouver – Los Angeles would overstate the Vancouver – Los Angeles O/D while not reflecting the demand on the other O/D’s flowing over the route. An O/D model, however, estimates the true travel volume by city- pair based on the passengers’ entire journey and allows airlines, airports and tourism organizations to better understand, plan for, and serve their markets.

Estimating true O/D demand is, however, a challenging endeavour for several reasons:
  • Within Canada, and most other countries, there is no single source that provides this information requiring the estimates be modeled from several incomplete data sources.
  • O/D data is captured through travellers’ booking or ticketing information but as there are numerous purchasing and booking channels, (i.e., the Internet, travel agencies, calling the carriers directly) capturing this data in one single source is impossible.
  • Travellers may purchase their ticket from one location (i.e., their hometown’s travel agency) but then drive to an airport, other than their local airport, to originate their air journey. If, for example, the other airport has better service or availability of cheaper fares, passengers may be willing to add a drive journey to their trip for the cost savings or improved overall convenience. Such behaviours unfortunately mask the passengers’ true origins.
  • Passengers flow over a complex network of flights. There are numerous different routing options (i.e. open jaw1, multiple stopovers, circuitous itineraries) that a passenger can take that disguise or confuse the final destination.
  • Complete routing information is not available for certain types of carriers, typically charter and low cost carriers which do not directly participate in airline interline programs.

In order to correctly estimate O/D market sizes for an airport or city pair, one has to be aware of the need to use various data sources, recognise the limitations within each data source and also understand the dynamics of the information.

How is an OD estimate generally created?
The foundation for modelling O/D market sizes is ticketing or booking data. Ticketing data refers to all air tickets sales made by travel agencies through global distribution systems2 (GDS). Booking data is similar to ticketing data; however it represents passenger bookings as opposed to actual sales (tickets).

When working with booking data, there has to be consideration for cancelled tickets. We refer to ticket data and booking data, collectively as GDS data, as both sources reflect transactions made via the GDS.

Historically, tickets issued by travel agents represented approximately 80% of all airline tickets issued for scheduled flights worldwide. However, the increasing growth in low-cost carriers and an industry shift towards increasing carrier direct ticket sales has caused the share of GDS sales to fall. While GDS data still represents one of the most comprehensive databases of airline ticketing and booking volumes, the information needs to be augmented and cross-checked with data from several other sources. As the representativeness of the GDS data varies by market, carrier mix, and world region, the factors used to model the GDS data need to be developed uniquely and specifically for each O/D being examined.

Airport site statistics, flight schedule data (sourced, for example, from the Official Airline Guide), U.S. Department of Transportation’s (DOT) T100 on-flight and U.S. DOT’s O/D passenger statistics, Statistics Canada’s O/D databases, Statistics Canada’s customs entries data and population statistics are all data sources incorporated in the modelling exercise.

This information typically provides total passenger volumes for an airport, flight leg, region, or country and is used for balancing totals and scaling ratios. To fully understand a market, direct consumer research is also often required. Pulling together the various data sources, cross-checking them and assessing their statistical value are essential elements in developing an O/D model.

How is an O/D model useful to various types of organizations?
Knowing the true origin and destination of passengers is important for air service development initiatives. O/D market sizes allow an airport to demonstrate to the prospective carriers the network value of service to their airport.

It is also an important input to market share models used by airlines and airports to predict the profitability of a route or network. An O/D model, however, is not only useful for airports and airlines; many travel and tourism organizations also find these models of benefit. A travel and tourism organisation would use the information in an O/D model to measure the impact of promotional campaigns, provide support for joint promotional initiatives with other industry partners, and target their marketing spend to the most important markets.

*Source: http://www.intervistas.com/downloads..._jun2008_b.pdf
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A very big portion of business and government travel for those based in DXB is on EK. In addition, a lot of the population living in DXB flies EK around the holiday season when on vacation.

If you look at it - there's a lot of people from the UK, Subcontinent, Philippines, Middle East living in Dubai. And all of their friends/ relatives coming to visit them.

The UAE has Skywards' 3rd largest base of members (as of about a year ago), so that should give you some idea.
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Originally Posted by ung1
A very big portion of business and government travel for those based in DXB is on EK. In addition, a lot of the population living in DXB flies EK around the holiday season when on vacation.

If you look at it - there's a lot of people from the UK, Subcontinent, Philippines, Middle East living in Dubai. And all of their friends/ relatives coming to visit them.

The UAE has Skywards' 3rd largest base of members (as of about a year ago), so that should give you some idea.
What's the top two? UK and India?
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UK is the largest.
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Old Feb 10, 2012, 7:54 pm
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UK then Australia then UAE then Germany (?) then India. I might be mistaken - this conversation took place a year ago. We can always ask again at the Do.
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I know a lot of people who fly out of Europe, and they're O/D is actually DXB. They have figured out for just a little bit more money they can fly out to another destination in Asia/Australia-NZ/Africa/Middle East for a mini vaction/break, so they take advantage of it. Obviously staying in Dubai on one of they're leg's.

As we all know every thing is much more expensive out of DXB.
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 12:03 am
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Someone here once mentioned that London-Dubai is one of the top 10 International OD routes.
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 4:41 am
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My guesses would be certain India flights / routes, certain LHR flights, JED (given the relatively weird timing of the flight(s) that seems more suited to O/D) and some of the KHI flights.
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Old Feb 14, 2012, 7:33 am
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I guess a lot of the GCC routes have a heavy O&D presence, as business people shuttle around the region and residents of less fun places like Saudi and Kuwait travel for fun.

The timings and frequencies mean that these flights must depend on more than just connections -- e.g., five flights per day to DOH. (Qatar Airways, which probably relies on an even higher proportion of connecting traffic than Emirates, has 11 flights per day on DOH-DXB!)
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Old Feb 14, 2012, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by mecabq
I guess a lot of the GCC routes have a heavy O&D presence, as business people shuttle around the region and residents of less fun places like Saudi and Kuwait travel for fun.

The timings and frequencies mean that these flights must depend on more than just connections -- e.g., five flights per day to DOH. (Qatar Airways, which probably relies on an even higher proportion of connecting traffic than Emirates, has 11 flights per day on DOH-DXB!)
Spot on for the GCC comment. Even a terrible airline like KU sees a lot traffic from LHR-BKK/BOM and JFK-BKK/BOM. The location is very key for the one stop to anywhere model IMHO.
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Old Feb 14, 2012, 12:46 pm
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Guys, have a read at this interest white paper (Q3 2011) from BCG on Mega Carriers such as EK. quite interesting

Abstract: https://www.bcgperspectives.com/cont...n_megacarriers

Download here to avoid registration: http://www.bcg.com/documents/file85452.pdf
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Old Feb 17, 2012, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by GigoloArt
Guys, have a read at this interest white paper (Q3 2011) from BCG on Mega Carriers such as EK. quite interesting

Abstract: https://www.bcgperspectives.com/cont...n_megacarriers

Download here to avoid registration: http://www.bcg.com/documents/file85452.pdf
Thanks for posting this link. It shows just how much the poor saps like me who live in the Middle East subsidise those who shall remain nameless who live in some of the the spoke destinations who transit through DXB on EK. Seriously though, it was very interesting - thanks again.
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Old Feb 17, 2012, 10:07 pm
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Originally Posted by GigoloArt
Guys, have a read at this interest white paper (Q3 2011) from BCG on Mega Carriers such as EK. quite interesting

Abstract: https://www.bcgperspectives.com/cont...n_megacarriers

Download here to avoid registration: http://www.bcg.com/documents/file85452.pdf
Highlight "Emirates...has no corporate tax to pay and has implicit sovereign backing, ensuring that its cost of capital ranks among the lowest within the sector" + simplification of fleet to long-range aircraft such as B777 and A350 and A380s in the near future + low airport fees it pays in Dubai + "access to cheap labor from other countries" (I can't believe BCG used this term) = a successfully run airline on its way to conquering the world. Did you get the memo, Delta, United and AA. Oh wait, too bad you're all stuck with unions that have sunk you all down to bankruptcy.

However, I will have to disagree with BCG's simplistic take on a solution to some of EK's problems. It's "cure-all" was simply noting that joining a global airline alliance will cure EK's problems. This is simply not true. EK has flirted with that notion years ago and has not pulled the trigger in fear that their expansion decisions will be delayed or, worse, quashed by the other voting members of the alliance. Furthermore, I don't believe European legacy carriers are too keen in allowing their biggest rival to come and join them so it could extend its network even further.

Either EK forms its own Middle Eastern Airline League (MEAL) with Etihad and Qatar or its not going to be part of one for a very long time.
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Old Feb 19, 2012, 3:35 am
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Originally Posted by sadiqhassan
My guesses would be certain India flights / routes, certain LHR flights, JED (given the relatively weird timing of the flight(s) that seems more suited to O/D) and some of the KHI flights.
There is a lot of O&D traffic on subcontinent routes, but not as much as you'd think. A lot of people living in the UAE from the subcontinent end up taking AI, PIA and low-cost airlines when they visit, because it may be cheaper and they visit regularly. A lot of the traffic on routes from DXB to the subcontinent are connecting passengers from the USA, Canada and the UK, mostly expatriates.
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