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malct Nov 15, 2010 3:11 pm

Maybe a daft Question
 
Ok , It may seem a daft question.

I am looking at going out to Thailand in Febuary and again In august.
Is it possible that i can buy a return ticket with Emirates with my out flight in febuary and returning in August.
BA have some cracking deals flying from Thailand to the UK, so my thoughts where to buy a return flight from thailand with BA, So in Febuary i fly out to Thailand with Emirates and return with BA and then in august fly to Thailand with BA and return back to the UK with Emirates!!!

I think i know that Answer to the Question, But just want confirmation.

Thank you for any Help

Malc

yyzlhr Nov 15, 2010 3:48 pm

Yes,,,,

Some fares have max stay of three or six months-- but if you put your dates in with the August return then you will get t eprice you are looking for.... be sure to check the cahncellation or changes penalties

eightblack Nov 15, 2010 5:00 pm

I don't think it's a daft question at all. In fact, the strategy is a smart one. You may need to use a local BKK travel agent though, rather than doing it online.

As an example, I can buy an EK SIN-MEL-SIN for A$623 (via the EK SIN website). If I then log out of the SIN website, and check a MEL-SIN-MEL (via the AU website) it prices it at A$861 (which is nearly a 40% differential)

Just make sure the BA website gives you the best deal.

MrSoft Nov 16, 2010 12:20 am

Not a daft question, a good strategy and one I used many times down the years.

If you do this intelligently, it's also a way of ensuring you have a Saturday night stay within your ticket dates, which certainly with BA will trigger a lower fare.

Fares are often different when originating from an out-station - sometimes better, sometimes worse, and you're also dependent on currency exchange rates.

Give it a go, it's fun.

roadrunner21 Nov 16, 2010 12:59 am

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malct Nov 16, 2010 1:49 pm

Hi and thank you for your Replys, they have been really helpfull.

I used to use BA quite a lot when i use to fly to the carribean but its been Emirates for the past 4 years flying east.
I do like the emirates Product but you have to think about your pocket to ^

Malc

CalFlyer Nov 16, 2010 11:22 pm

Some European airlines officially prohibit nested tickets in their terms&conditions. A nested ticket is if you book A -> B on ticket 1, then B -> A -> B on ticket 2 and again B -> A on ticket 1. I do not know if EK has any official rules against it. Even if they had, the likelihood of EK going after you is extremely small.

If you nest the ticket with the ticket of another airline, there is nothing anybody can do against it, anyways.

roadrunner21 Nov 17, 2010 1:32 am

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abhilife2001 Nov 17, 2010 9:45 am


Originally Posted by CalFlyer (Post 15167624)
Some European airlines officially prohibit nested tickets in their terms&conditions. A nested ticket is if you book A -> B on ticket 1, then B -> A -> B on ticket 2 and again B -> A on ticket 1. I do not know if EK has any official rules against it. Even if they had, the likelihood of EK going after you is extremely small.

If you nest the ticket with the ticket of another airline, there is nothing anybody can do against it, anyways.

hmmm.. sometimes its possible that the airline can know that there was a nested ticket but its rare for this to happen and I am not aware of any case..
For eg..
In Schengen countries, business/tourist visas for non Eu nationals normally have a max stay period of 90 days per 180 days.. so if someone travels to schengen region on airline 1, leave say 20 days later in airline 2, comes back to schengen area after few months utiliying return ticket of airline 2 and then when he plans to return after that trip utilising his return ticket portion of airline 1, the check-in agent may see the immi stamps on his pp and become curious.. but like i said, i dont know of any case this has actually happenned..

merijn Nov 17, 2010 4:38 pm

I think that it a very good idea.
But I think that you will have a problem during check-in.
Because if the time between the outward and return date for the EK flight is more then 30 days EK will need to see a visa for Thailand in your passport.
EK is under the impression that you stay the whole time in Thailand and most countries only get a 30 days visa exemption stamp for Thailand at Bangkok airport.
So according to EK you can’t stay legally in Thailand for the whole time.
Try to get a double entry tourist visa for Thailand with which you can stay 2 x 60 days in Thailand and inform EK during check-in that with this visa you can stay in Thailand for 120 days with only a visa run after the first 60 days. ( the 120 days can be extended with 2 x 30 days at any immigration office inside Thailand )
As EK doesn’t know that you leave the country with BA you have to give them a explanation.

abhilife2001 Nov 18, 2010 2:06 am


Originally Posted by merijn (Post 15177996)
I think that it a very good idea.
But I think that you will have a problem during check-in.
Because if the time between the outward and return date for the EK flight is more then 30 days EK will need to see a visa for Thailand in your passport.
EK is under the impression that you stay the whole time in Thailand and most countries only get a 30 days visa exemption stamp for Thailand at Bangkok airport.
So according to EK you can’t stay legally in Thailand for the whole time.
Try to get a double entry tourist visa for Thailand with which you can stay 2 x 60 days in Thailand and inform EK during check-in that with this visa you can stay in Thailand for 120 days with only a visa run after the first 60 days. ( the 120 days can be extended with 2 x 30 days at any immigration office inside Thailand )
As EK doesn’t know that you leave the country with BA you have to give them a explanation.

+1.. something similar to what I wrote in case of Schengen trips..

malct Nov 18, 2010 2:59 am

Thank you for your replys and yes maybe not a daft question but could be complicated.
I would have thought that emirates were only interested in selling tickets and when you fly back was not a issue with them. lots of people might buy a return ticket from A to B and have plans on going from B to C and then C to D touring around the world using different airlines.

Reading the replies on nesting tickets , it shows that it does happen and what can a airline do if your found to be using the nesting System?? Ban you for life ;)

Malc

Zol Nov 18, 2010 3:22 am

You won't get banned for life and airlines can trace their own nested tickets through your FFP profile.

I would however be careful about being denied boarding due to the visa issue. Yes its not the airlines problem if you overstay (you could always do a date change after arrival), however at checkin you have to show proof of either returning or leaving to another country.

Happened to a friend of mine in LHR, he was flying to DXB and then to CPT on EK as well but under a different PNR and she told him you will overstay in Dubai and hence can't let you board. He had to explain to her that he is not and that she can look into the EK res system to see his CPT ticket.

abhilife2001 Nov 18, 2010 3:28 am


Originally Posted by khalid26 (Post 15184300)
however at checkin you have to show proof of either returning or leaving to another country.
Happened to a friend of mine in LHR, he was flying to DXB and then to CPT on EK as well but under a different PNR and she told him you will overstay in Dubai and hence can't let you board. He had to explain to her that he is not and that she can look into the EK res system to see his CPT ticket.

I guess once u r in check-in and you have the requisite proof that u left the company within the stipuated time and returned ( maybe with immi stamps on ur pp or BA BP's) it should be fine.. they may frown upon u but IMO they cannot deny boarding just because of this..

malct Nov 18, 2010 6:09 am

I would have thought that the imagration side of things would have been the main problem, but then i would have proof on leaving thailand with a depature stamp in my passport, so it would not be classed has a over stay.


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