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Originally Posted by Face81
(Post 19441384)
The numbers are healthy, but it's really F and J that impact on profitability, so with low loads in those two classes, overall revenues don''t look that healthy, but the very high Y loads should help the route nore than break even. One to watch.
As previously posted cargo makes all the revenue, pax are just bonus. |
hi guys is there any news for us destinations?any update for boston?MIA? please i am looking trustable source?do u think emirates going to announce boston or mia or chicago whitin two month ?i heard first operation flight for boston or chicao is Mach 2013?
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Originally Posted by ekafra
(Post 19447300)
hi guys is there any news for us destinations?any update for boston?MIA? please i am looking trustable source?do u think emirates going to announce boston or mia or chicago whitin two month ?i heard first operation flight for boston or chicao is Mach 2013?
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Good article on how Emirates is rapidly growing its A380 network.....
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...d-moscow-84960 |
Emirates may get A380 nod in India soon
By Andy Sambidge Friday, 12 October 2012 10:08 AM
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/incom...80emirates.jpg India may soon lift its ban on international carriers, including Emirates Airline, operating A380s in the country, it has been reported. Media reports suggest the superjumbo could soon be allowed to fly in India as the government plans to change its stance of trying to protect Indian carriers. “We will allow carriers, who want to fly Airbus 380s into India under the existing bilateral allotments they have,” a senior civil aviation ministry official, who did not want to be identified, was quoted as saying. Emirates, Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines have shown interest in operating the aircraft in India. The government had banned A380s on the ground that Indian carriers couldn't compete with airlines operating ultra long-haul planes. “The rules will be changed to allow them bring in Airbus 380s. We should take pride in the fact that we have airports that can handle Airbus 380s,” the official said. Currently, airports in Delhi, Bangalore and Hyderabad are equipped to handle the operations of Airbus 380s. A380s are the largest plane by size and has a seating capacity for over 525 passengers. Emirates Airline is the world's biggest A380 operator and earlier this week received its 24th and 25th superjumbo. Emirates has a total of 90 A380 jets on firm order, and it has 216 aircraft, worth $62bn, still to be delivered. Last month, a study said the expansion of Emirates Airline's operations in India would benefit the local economy by an extra $106m and would lead to the creation of more than 13,000 new jobs. The study claimed that Emirates’ expansion to four additional points - Amritsar, Pune, Mangalore and Trichy - would have big benefits for the Indian economy. It also said that Emirates has contributed a total of $596m to the Indian economy and directly employs 1,045 employees while supporting more than 72,000 jobs in India through its operations. http://www.arabianbusiness.com/emira...on-476111.html |
Originally Posted by ihavebeenseen
(Post 19437043)
EK needs hubs outside of Dubai to be anything close to approaching Pan AM. Right now there are too many population centers they cannot connect. Hell would freeze over before the US or the EU or Japan would let them setup a foreign hub.Till then they will be limited to their little section of the world, so not Pan AM.
Pan AM operated in a time when planes couldn't fly globally - they didn't have the range. When you can only fly a limited distance, it makes sense to have a network of hubs. Today, aircraft have far greater range - and even more importantly, Dubai (and the Gulf region, in general) is ideally situated to place most populated centres on the globe within a single plane journey from DXB. The range of the A380 is up to 8,300 nm/15,400 km (according to Airbus). From www.gcmap.com we can draw a map of the loci that are 8,300nm from DXB. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=8300nm%40DXB http://i47.tinypic.com/e5ftld.gif The areas that are out-of-range are the dark blue patches in the Pacific Ocean. You will see that the entire landmasses of the main continents all fall within A380 range of Dubai. Now, I'm not saying, or suggesting, that Emirates will one day have an all A380 operation. The Boeing 777-300ER has a range of 7,930 nautical miles (14,685 km). The Boeing 787-8 has a range of 7,650 to 8,200 nautical miles (14,200 to 15,200 kilometers). Most of today's long-haul aircraft put the majority of the world's population within a single plane journey from Dubai. Emirates operates in a world where they can connect almost any two points on the globe with a single transfer in Dubai. So it doesn't need a network of hubs, a-la Pan Am, to connect any two points. While having a single hub means that "local" traffic suffers - you probably wouldn't take Emirates to get from San Francisco to Los Angeles, for instance - that's not the type of traffic that Emirates is (currently) interested in. At least for now, having multiple hubs is not something that Emirates needs, or is interested in. Pan AM's wiki entry says that it carried 6.7 million passengers in 1966 and 11 million passengers in 1970, and at its peak had service to 160 destinations. Emirates carried 25.9 million passengers in 2009, and 30.8 million in 2010, making it the 5th largest international carrier in 2010 in terms of passengers carried, up from 6th the previous year. In terms of revenue passenger kilometres (RPKs), it was the #1 international airline, and 4th-largest overall (unlike the US carriers which have huge domestic numbers, Emirates is an international-only airline). The highest RPK figure given for Pan Am in its wiki entry, for 1970, was 26,376,000,000. Emirates' 2010 RPK figure was 143,660,000,000. Delta - the largest airline in 2010 - had a figure of 266,990,000,000. (RPK is the number of paying passengers carried mutliplied by the number of kilometres those passengers were carried, and gives an idea of the "volume" of passenger traffic carried by an airline). |
We knew that India was going to open up A380 operations a few weeks ago Face. What I want to see now is EKs first high density, all Y layout, especially with the Dubai economy starting it's second boom.
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Originally Posted by NOIR
(Post 19482924)
We knew that India was going to open up A380 operations a few weeks ago Face. What I want to see now is EKs first high density, all Y layout, especially with the Dubai economy starting it's second boom.
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Originally Posted by NOIR
(Post 19482924)
We knew that India was going to open up A380 operations a few weeks ago Face. What I want to see now is EKs first high density, all Y layout, especially with the Dubai economy starting it's second boom.
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Originally Posted by Face81
(Post 19483007)
I'm wondering if they will start piling all the new SJ airframes into India once they get the green light?
Lets not forget SJ access is only part of the plan, we need more routes/destinations ASAP. |
Originally Posted by NOIR
(Post 19483089)
Lets not forget SJ access is only part of the plan, we need more routes/destinations ASAP.
I think more access will take time, unless they opt to buy into one of the failing carriers. SJ access to India seemed inevitable. |
Great post Irishguy28.
It is the smart vision to set an all WB fleet with the peculiarities of a point to point business. A point to point wide like almost the whole world. |
Originally Posted by NOIR
(Post 19482924)
We knew that India was going to open up A380 operations a few weeks ago Face. What I want to see now is EKs first high density, all Y layout, especially with the Dubai economy starting it's second boom.
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 19482383)
Today, aircraft have far greater range - and even more importantly, Dubai (and the Gulf region, in general) is ideally situated to place most populated centres on the globe within a single plane journey from DXB.
Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 19482383)
Emirates operates in a world where they can connect almost any two points on the globe with a single transfer in Dubai. So it doesn't need a network of hubs, a-la Pan Am, to connect any two points.
* EK has 16 flights > 5,000 miles. * BA has 28 flights > 5,000 miles. My guess is that LH, AF, UA and DL have more flights in this category too.
Originally Posted by irishguy28
(Post 19482383)
Pan AM's wiki entry says that it carried 6.7 million passengers in 1966 and 11 million passengers in 1970, and at its peak had service to 160 destinations. Emirates carried 25.9 million passengers in 2009, and 30.8 million in 2010, making it the 5th largest international carrier in 2010 in terms of passengers carried, up from 6th the previous year. In terms of revenue passenger kilometres (RPKs), it was the #1 international airline, and 4th-largest overall (unlike the US carriers which have huge domestic numbers, Emirates is an international-only airline).
The highest RPK figure given for Pan Am in its wiki entry, for 1970, was 26,376,000,000. Emirates' 2010 RPK figure was 143,660,000,000. Delta - the largest airline in 2010 - had a figure of 266,990,000,000. (RPK is the number of paying passengers carried mutliplied by the number of kilometres those passengers were carried, and gives an idea of the "volume" of passenger traffic carried by an airline). |
Originally Posted by ihavebeenseen
(Post 19487453)
Come on guy. EK has no measurable impact on international air traffic in the Western Hemisphere. They currently have 9 destinations. The shortest flight is 13 hours.
Then add the cities in the US and South America... |
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