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LiorM May 1, 2009 10:35 am

on the map
 
I heared that BMI took out Israel from the map they have in their magazine.
This was done in plaines that are flying to arab countries.

On the other side , BMI is doing very well in Israel.
So they are flying from nowhere to somewhere.
Must be magic:)

Can we ask Elal to take out London and Manchester out of their maps?

;);););)

LiorM

ELAL May 1, 2009 10:45 am

BMI aren't the culprits
 

Originally Posted by LiorM (Post 11677489)
I heared that BMI took out Israel from the map they have in their magazine.
This was done in plaines that are flying to arab countries.

On the other side , BMI is doing very well in Israel.
So they are flying from nowhere to somewhere.
Must be magic:)

Can we ask Elal to take out London and Manchester out of their maps?

;);););)

LiorM


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

They claim that they had just bought the planes from some other airline, and it isn't them who changed it
Althiugh I agree that such a mistake on a TLV flight is unacceptable

Dovster May 1, 2009 11:19 am


Originally Posted by ELAL (Post 11677559)
Althiugh I agree that such a mistake on a TLV flight is unacceptable

I don't know if they ever fixed it but at least as late as two years ago Alitalia had a much worse mistake on its TLV flights. The safety video was available in English and Italian, and had sub-titles in several languages, including Arabic -- but not in Hebrew.

ELAL May 3, 2009 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 11677766)
I don't know if they ever fixed it but at least as late as two years ago Alitalia had a much worse mistake on its TLV flights. The safety video was available in English and Italian, and had sub-titles in several languages, including Arabic -- but not in Hebrew.

In my opinion although it shown on Alitalia's known sloppiness, it's understandable that Arabic is a much more common language than Hebrew, and the fact dosen't insult anybody.

But flying to TLV and wiping Israel off the map is insulting and appaling

dannybhoy May 3, 2009 4:30 pm

A fair number of airlines fly to Arab countries and Israel and I can't imagine that the likes of LH or LX have different versions of magazines just to suit their Arab destinations. Most passengers don't really look that closely at the map in the magazines, especially if the country names aren't written in their language. And in my experience with Gulf Arabs including Saudis, they don't really care if Israel is labelled as such on a map or not.

Dovster May 3, 2009 7:08 pm


Originally Posted by ELAL (Post 11687792)
In my opinion although it shown on Alitalia's known sloppiness, it's understandable that Arabic is a much more common language than Hebrew, and the fact dosen't insult anybody.

If safety instructions are to have any value at all they have to be understood -- and a flight to/from Israel is bound to have some people on board who will not understand any language except Hebrew.

ELAL May 3, 2009 11:59 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 11688765)
If safety instructions are to have any value at all they have to be understood -- and a flight to/from Israel is bound to have some people on board who will not understand any language except Hebrew.

Many airlines don't have the saftey instructions in Hebrew

Dovster May 4, 2009 12:38 am

Generally I fly on Delta and not only do they have the safety instructions in Hebrew but all flights to/from TLV have at least one Israeli FA. What does tend to get annoying is that every single announcement made by the captain is translated into Hebrew giving bi-lingual passengers, "deja vu all over again."

apirchik May 4, 2009 12:52 am


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 11689741)
Generally I fly on Delta and not only do they have the safety instructions in Hebrew but all flights to/from TLV have at least one Israeli FA. What does tend to get annoying is that every single announcement made by the captain is translated into Hebrew giving bi-lingual passengers, "deja vu all over again."

Delta and Continental have announcements in Hebrew and Hebrew speaking FAs. Most if not all European airlines don't have these features on their Israel flights.

This always reminds me of a TWA flight where there was not any Hebrew speaking FA and they gave an African-American FA a sheet with the announcements in Hebrew written in English. It was something like:
"Ge-Bi-Ro-Tai Ve-Ra-Bo-Tai, Na Le-Ha-Dek Et Ha-Go-Rot Ha-Mo-Shav ...". The poor guy was reading this all night ... :D

dannybhoy May 4, 2009 8:50 am

Knowing what translations to provide for announcements is a tricky bizness. Not just a question of the language of the destination but also the predominant language of passengers flying to that destination. Case in point from my experience flying SQ to JED, it would have been quite useless for SQ to have Arabic in its announcements given that most of the passengers on those flights tended to be blue collar workers from the ASEAN region who weren't likely to understand Arabic well if at all. And I don't recall SQ doing Bahasa Indonesia or Tagalog translations on those flights. Likewise if an airline's passengers flying to TLV are mostly not conversant Hebrew speakers, having Hebrew translations might not be of any use.

entropy May 4, 2009 12:17 pm

BD was showing TLV as a featured destination on their webpage for a while when they first started it.

they probably messed it up,but at least the stewardesses don't have to wear full body black to hang out in TLV :)

ELAL May 4, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by entropy (Post 11692215)
BD was showing TLV as a featured destination on their webpage for a while when they first started it.

I don't think the problem was the webpage, the problem was the inflight maps

entropy May 4, 2009 4:14 pm

yes, but if BD is promoting TLV on the website, then its fairly clear that they're not hiding that they serve TLV, or that it exists. The problem is the system wasn't changed when the BMED aircraft were bought;.

ELAL May 5, 2009 11:45 am

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083197.html

05/05/2009

The omission of Israel from the electronic in-flight maps of British airline BMI continues to rile officials in Jerusalem.

The Transportation Ministry on Tuesday sent a letter to the airline's chief executive officer in Britain demanding an explanation as to why the only reference to Israel on the map is the Arabic word for Haifa.

"Israeli travelers complained that erasing Israel hurts their sensitivities and enrages them," the ministry's director-general, Gideon Siterman, wrote in the letter. The ministry said it is awaiting a response from the airline.
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BMI announced that beginning Tuesday it would operate its Tel Aviv-London route with a new aircraft in which electronic maps will display the names and locations of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

BMI apologized last week for deleting Israel from an electronic map that appears on its flights.

Army Radio reported earlier that BMI's London-Tel Aviv flights, Israel and most of its cities weren't marked in order to avoid angering Muslim passengers. Only Haifa was identified - by its Arab name, Khefa.

In its apology, BMI said the plane bearing the map was acquired from a now-defunct airline that flew to several Arab countries in the Middle East, and the map highlighted locations including the Muslim holy city of Mecca.

LiorM May 6, 2009 11:08 am

If I am not wrong.
BMI is using some A/C that don't have Israel on their electnronic maps.

They offer a car to all C class travelers from TLV
They offer 200cm 180 flat bad.
They offer a personal chef on board (Is there something like that ? an English
chef?)

only people from Khefa can fly with BMI and eat Humos with no taste:)


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