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NY-Israel flight delayed by ultra-Orthodox menís refusal to sit next to women

NY-Israel flight delayed by ultra-Orthodox menís refusal to sit next to women

Old Jun 25, 18, 1:37 pm
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NY-Israel flight delayed by ultra-Orthodox menís refusal to sit next to women

After this incident: https://www.timesofisrael.com/flight...ustomerService
Look at the appropriate response from one of the biggest companies:
Barak Eilam CEO, NICE
At NICE we don't do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion.
NICE will not fly @El Al Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating women
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Old Jun 25, 18, 2:32 pm
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I am an Orthodox women. AND you better believe, after I pick my seat very very early ( want to know where I am sitting Dec. 30 --assuming they don't again change aircraft) I am NOT changing my seat to accommodate anyone.

.When making a reservation they should indicate they won't sit next to women. Let El Al reserve the way back of the plane. Then, let El Al slot them into seats, moving forward as need be. If they don't like those seat--too bad! ( I left out the curse that served as a descriptive adjective when I wrote this!)
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Old Jun 25, 18, 10:17 pm
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NICE will not fly @El Al Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating women
TBH, the above is much more of a headline than the actual incident and would have been my thread title had you not beaten me to it.
This type of incident is definitely not the first time (but maybe this time the last) this has happened and reported in the media, but I don't ever recall a major Israeli corporation announcing they will no longer fly LY.

As expected, Nice's announcement has actually got someone moving over at LY and the CEO announced last night that from now on they will offer zero tolerance and any passenger refusing to sit next to another will be removed from the flight immediately.

I have a feeling this is not the end of the story though, and will be interesting to see if this works in practice.
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Old Jun 25, 18, 10:32 pm
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I do agree.
I notice LY CEO response in Globes but I will not add it as I am looking for the actual police implementation.
Maybe later we will see someone start to think about customer service, pricing and even flying 7 days a week.
Than we all have a real free choice to choose our main carrier
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Old Jun 25, 18, 11:38 pm
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Flying on Shabbat is very different than these seat games. I wonder how many passengers will stop using them if they start breaking Shabbat.
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Old Jun 26, 18, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by awayIgo View Post
Flying on Shabbat is very different than these seat games. I wonder how many passengers will stop using them if they start breaking Shabbat.
Very possibly more will start using LY. It is a major convenience to be able to get on a flight after work on Friday and go to Europe for a weekend (or the States for an entire week).

Even the most Orthodox Jews can be found on other airlines which fly into/out of TLV on Shabbat. Travelers who are Shabbat observant simply fly on other days.
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Old Jun 26, 18, 1:37 am
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Flying on Shabbat is very different than these seat games. I wonder how many passengers will stop using them if they start breaking Shabbat.
Anyone could choose, even the Orthodox - as they are doing nowadays, not all of them are flying LY - why?
And for non religious people that are the major part of LY customers - on every destination (NY/JFK inclusive) will have better choices to select.
LY profit will increase from using the fleet (and staff) as more to real business company and not as "Leaping days" company.
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Your proposal to reserve sections of seats on plane based on gender is actually illegal.
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Old Jun 26, 18, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by Dovster View Post
Very possibly more will start using LY. It is a major convenience to be able to get on a flight after work on Friday and go to Europe for a weekend (or the States for an entire week).

Even the most Orthodox Jews can be found on other airlines which fly into/out of TLV on Shabbat. Travelers who are Shabbat observant simply fly on other days.
Its not that simple, Dovster. El Al is a Jewish-majority owned airline. Patronizing a Jewish-owned business that openly violates Shabbat poses potentially complex challenges for the Orthodox consumer.
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Old Jun 26, 18, 1:18 pm
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Its not that simple, Dovster. El Al is a Jewish-majority owned airline. Patronizing a Jewish-owned business that openly violates Shabbat poses potentially complex challenges for the Orthodox consumer.
Walla. So if Sheldon Adelson decided to buy United Airlines tomorrow, the orthodox consumer will find it challenging to fly United? I seriously doubt it.

It's a power struggle. And so far, El Al has believed that it was making money by yielding. Once they are convinced otherwise, they will start to fly seven days a week, and I bet the flights will continue to be full of diverse passengers, orthodox jews included.

I stopped flying El Al partly because I needed a more stable, uniform service out of TLV. The schedules that kept changing depending on the day of week were a major hassle.

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Walla. So if Sheldon Adelson decided to buy United Airlines tomorrow, the orthodox consumer will find it challenging to fly United? I seriously doubt it.
Of course not. But the majority of UA staff are goyim, and when a goy works on Shabbat, it's not a sin. But El Al's pilots and flight attendants are probably 95-100% Jewish, so all of their staff would basically be sinning against the Shabbat commandment every week.

I am personally a Christian, so I don't mind working 7 days a week, but if I had been an Orthodox Jew, I would refuse to fly El Al if they had Shabbat flights.
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Wendy Blum We were on this flight and everyone was so busy with their prejudices that no one saw the truth. The man on the plane was BLIND and was escorted by his father. He was a very poor unfortunate soul and no one cared to look at who he was beyond his dress code. How do I know? My mother gave up her seat for them because her heart told her it was the right thing. She is not in her 70"s but 87 years old. We sat next to them and I was witness to the fact that he was blind. His father apologized many times over for being a burden on the passengers. I myself didn't want my mother to change her seat because I needed to help her on the flight but she insisted on helping them out. She herself is not Haredi or Hassidish but she believes in loving all people.

My mother wants to comment because this article has published over and over and it is not the truth -

"I am the woman who gave over my seat to that blind man. He was insulted over and over again about the situation he was in. It was enough that he was blind. It seems that people have no feelings, compassion. We can't judge a person by his clothes or by which house of worship he attends."
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Give me a break!!!!!
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Give me a break!!!!!

Would somebody please give tedcruz a break.
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Old Jun 27, 18, 3:33 am
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Would somebody please give tedcruz a break.
This just happens all the time. Can't LY get the Feds on board and remove the passenger.
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