NY-Israel flight delayed by ultra-Orthodox men’s refusal to sit next to women
Jun 25, 2018, 1:37 pm
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NY-Israel flight delayed by ultra-Orthodox men’s refusal to sit next to women
After this incident: https://www.timesofisrael.com/flight...ustomerService
Look at the appropriate response from one of the biggest companies:
Barak Eilam CEO, NICE
At NICE we don't do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion.
NICE will not fly @El Al Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating women
Look at the appropriate response from one of the biggest companies:
Barak Eilam CEO, NICE
At NICE we don't do business with companies that discriminate against race, gender or religion.
NICE will not fly @El Al Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating women
Jun 25, 2018, 2:32 pm
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I am an Orthodox women. AND you better believe, after I pick my seat very very early ( want to know where I am sitting Dec. 30 --assuming they don't again change aircraft) I am NOT changing my seat to accommodate anyone.
.When making a reservation they should indicate they won't sit next to women. Let El Al reserve the way back of the plane. Then, let El Al slot them into seats, moving forward as need be. If they don't like those seat--too bad! ( I left out the curse that served as a descriptive adjective when I wrote this!)
.When making a reservation they should indicate they won't sit next to women. Let El Al reserve the way back of the plane. Then, let El Al slot them into seats, moving forward as need be. If they don't like those seat--too bad! ( I left out the curse that served as a descriptive adjective when I wrote this!)
Jun 25, 2018, 10:17 pm
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NICE will not fly @El Al Israel Airlines until they change their practice and actions discriminating women
This type of incident is definitely not the first time (but maybe this time the last) this has happened and reported in the media, but I don't ever recall a major Israeli corporation announcing they will no longer fly LY.
As expected, Nice's announcement has actually got someone moving over at LY and the CEO announced last night that from now on they will offer zero tolerance and any passenger refusing to sit next to another will be removed from the flight immediately.
I have a feeling this is not the end of the story though, and will be interesting to see if this works in practice.
Jun 25, 2018, 10:32 pm
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I do agree.
I notice LY CEO response in Globes but I will not add it as I am looking for the actual police implementation.
Maybe later we will see someone start to think about customer service, pricing and even flying 7 days a week.
Than we all have a real free choice to choose our main carrier
I notice LY CEO response in Globes but I will not add it as I am looking for the actual police implementation.
Maybe later we will see someone start to think about customer service, pricing and even flying 7 days a week.
Than we all have a real free choice to choose our main carrier
Jun 26, 2018, 12:48 am
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Even the most Orthodox Jews can be found on other airlines which fly into/out of TLV on Shabbat. Travelers who are Shabbat observant simply fly on other days.
Jun 26, 2018, 1:37 am
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And for non religious people that are the major part of LY customers - on every destination (NY/JFK inclusive) will have better choices to select.
LY profit will increase from using the fleet (and staff) as more to real business company and not as "Leaping days" company.
Jun 26, 2018, 8:26 am
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Very possibly more will start using LY. It is a major convenience to be able to get on a flight after work on Friday and go to Europe for a weekend (or the States for an entire week).
Even the most Orthodox Jews can be found on other airlines which fly into/out of TLV on Shabbat. Travelers who are Shabbat observant simply fly on other days.
Even the most Orthodox Jews can be found on other airlines which fly into/out of TLV on Shabbat. Travelers who are Shabbat observant simply fly on other days.
Jun 26, 2018, 1:18 pm
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It's a power struggle. And so far, El Al has believed that it was making money by yielding. Once they are convinced otherwise, they will start to fly seven days a week, and I bet the flights will continue to be full of diverse passengers, orthodox jews included.
I stopped flying El Al partly because I needed a more stable, uniform service out of TLV. The schedules that kept changing depending on the day of week were a major hassle.
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Jun 26, 2018, 1:53 pm
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I am personally a Christian, so I don't mind working 7 days a week, but if I had been an Orthodox Jew, I would refuse to fly El Al if they had Shabbat flights.
Jun 27, 2018, 1:04 am
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Saw the following on Facebook:
Originally Posted by Facebook
Wendy Blum We were on this flight and everyone was so busy with their prejudices that no one saw the truth. The man on the plane was BLIND and was escorted by his father. He was a very poor unfortunate soul and no one cared to look at who he was beyond his dress code. How do I know? My mother gave up her seat for them because her heart told her it was the right thing. She is not in her 70"s but 87 years old. We sat next to them and I was witness to the fact that he was blind. His father apologized many times over for being a burden on the passengers. I myself didn't want my mother to change her seat because I needed to help her on the flight but she insisted on helping them out. She herself is not Haredi or Hassidish but she believes in loving all people.
My mother wants to comment because this article has published over and over and it is not the truth -
"I am the woman who gave over my seat to that blind man. He was insulted over and over again about the situation he was in. It was enough that he was blind. It seems that people have no feelings, compassion. We can't judge a person by his clothes or by which house of worship he attends."
My mother wants to comment because this article has published over and over and it is not the truth -
"I am the woman who gave over my seat to that blind man. He was insulted over and over again about the situation he was in. It was enough that he was blind. It seems that people have no feelings, compassion. We can't judge a person by his clothes or by which house of worship he attends."