Arkia or Israir - Domestic Flight?

Old Jan 25, 18, 7:34 am
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Arkia or Israir - Domestic Flight?

Thread title says it all.
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Old Jan 25, 18, 7:58 am
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Originally Posted by joshwex90 View Post
Thread title says it all.
Both are as bad.Check for schedule and priceIf one has a turbo-prop and the other jet then chose the jet
Are you flying from TLV or SDV? Pay attention that in TLV now the flights depart from T1 and arrive at T3.
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Old Jan 25, 18, 8:54 am
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Hey.
Been doing race tracks to ETH back and forth like crazy for the past year or so.
First - SDV vs. TLV
SDV - Very easy access from the TLV area, If you are looking for a bargain and aren't carrying too much luggage, you can park your car in the free Reading Parking and walk to the airport in about 10 minutes. The airport itself its chronically understaffed so security takes a while, however they always made sure to get ppl to their planes in time in my experience. The airport offers amazing views of the Gush Dan area, which I will happily admit to admiring even after doing this route for dozens of times. However, Public Transport is terrible and if you need to get there or away from there during the Rush Hour, you're almost definitely going to spend your precious time stuck in traffic. Baggage claim times can be so-so, especially late in the evening.
TLV - Domestic Terminal 1 is ok. The best public transport option is to take the bus to Zomet El Al and walk from there, as arriving via train and shuttling from T3 is a colossal waste of time and energy in my mind. No duty free or food\beverage options to speak of, but flights tend to be just a bit cheaper than from SDV

Now about the airlines:
Israir - In my experience, crews are nice and attentive. They operate ATR 72's out of SDV and A320s out of TLV. Both are okay, however the flight takes around 20 to 25 minutes more on the ATR, which might not seem that critical but does infact matter if you plan on doing this on a regular basis. In my experience, Israir has less flights but tends to be a bit cheaper than Arkia. Water and a small snack is served during the flight.

Arkia - Service is ok, not much more than that. Ex-SDV they operate ERJs which are about 20 minutes faster than the ATR Israir uses. The aircraft is comfortable and stable even during severe weather. Water and snacks are served during the flight. The flights are usually a bit more expensive (Although there are bargains available early in the morning and late in the evening which are actually pretty amazing if you travel for business.) but there is more availability because of increased frequency and more seats in every plane. Ex-TLV, they operate a mix of ERJs and 753. Flying the 753 to ETH is fun if you're an aviation geek, however the plane is less comfortable and tends to be late because boarding takes more time.They used to operate an ATR too but as far as I know they (finally) got rid of it.

Both companies offer significant discounts when purchasing a ticket pack (Called Tick-Tack with Arkia) and another discount on top of that for Eilat residents. The picture will obviously shift as soon as Ramon Airport becomes operational and transit times increase dramatically (around 25 minutes from the city centre without traffic jams). Right now its really awesome to be able to walk to the airport in SDV. get off the plane in ETH and walk to most places in the city.

A bit OT, but here's hoping that when Ramon Airport opens, RYR will enter the game and drive prices down, I've been flying them a lot lately - if they can do Paphos which is 40 minutes out of TLV, there is no reason they can't operate a flight from TLV to Eilat successfully.
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Originally Posted by elal767 View Post

A bit OT, but here's hoping that when Ramon Airport opens, RYR will enter the game and drive prices down, I've been flying them a lot lately - if they can do Paphos which is 40 minutes out of TLV, there is no reason they can't operate a flight from TLV to Eilat successfully.
Surely they won't have domestic traffic rights.
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Old Jan 27, 18, 8:56 am
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Surely they won't have domestic traffic rights.
True, but then again it’s no secret the Ministry of Tourism and other regulatory bodies are seriously concerned about the crazy high prices on this route and the lack of competition which actually poses a serious risk to the city of Eilat as a domestic holiday destination altogether. Wouldn’t be surprised if they figured out a way to let other players enter the field if they had intentions to do so.
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Ryanair could definitely look into this route especially since the airport fees are so low for domestic flights. Israel Airports authority charges less to park a plane for a domestic flight at Ben Gurion airport than it charges for parking a car there.
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Old Jan 28, 18, 1:27 am
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Originally Posted by Houminer View Post
Both are as bad.Check for schedule and priceIf one has a turbo-prop and the other jet then chose the jet
Are you flying from TLV or SDV? Pay attention that in TLV now the flights depart from T1 and arrive at T3.
Haven't decided yet which airport. Most of the prices have been similar enough.

I was aware they're T1, but haven't they been that way for awhile now? Or is the emphasis that arrival is T3?

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Hey.
Been doing race tracks to ETH back and forth like crazy for the past year or so.
First - SDV vs. TLV
SDV - Very easy access from the TLV area, If you are looking for a bargain and aren't carrying too much luggage, you can park your car in the free Reading Parking and walk to the airport in about 10 minutes. The airport itself its chronically understaffed so security takes a while, however they always made sure to get ppl to their planes in time in my experience. The airport offers amazing views of the Gush Dan area, which I will happily admit to admiring even after doing this route for dozens of times. However, Public Transport is terrible and if you need to get there or away from there during the Rush Hour, you're almost definitely going to spend your precious time stuck in traffic. Baggage claim times can be so-so, especially late in the evening.
If SDV, not sure yet how I'd get there. Options:
  1. My wife works very close to the airport and could drop me off on the way to work
  2. I drive - I can leave my car in Reading for 5 days, for free? Would it be full by 7-8am?
  3. Public transportation - I looked it up and it's 2 buses from my home with a transfer at Arlozorov. I know how long the 1st bus takes at that time of day. Bus from Arlozorov heading north to SDV is still bad at that time of day at around 7am?
TLV - Domestic Terminal 1 is ok. The best public transport option is to take the bus to Zomet El Al and walk from there, as arriving via train and shuttling from T3 is a colossal waste of time and energy in my mind. No duty free or food\beverage options to speak of, but flights tend to be just a bit cheaper than from SDV
I have a direct bus or tremp even to Tzomet EL AL. I can easily walk from there?

Now about the airlines:
Israir - In my experience, crews are nice and attentive. They operate ATR 72's out of SDV and A320s out of TLV. Both are okay, however the flight takes around 20 to 25 minutes more on the ATR, which might not seem that critical but does infact matter if you plan on doing this on a regular basis. In my experience, Israir has less flights but tends to be a bit cheaper than Arkia. Water and a small snack is served during the flight.

Arkia - Service is ok, not much more than that. Ex-SDV they operate ERJs which are about 20 minutes faster than the ATR Israir uses. The aircraft is comfortable and stable even during severe weather. Water and snacks are served during the flight. The flights are usually a bit more expensive (Although there are bargains available early in the morning and late in the evening which are actually pretty amazing if you travel for business.) but there is more availability because of increased frequency and more seats in every plane. Ex-TLV, they operate a mix of ERJs and 753. Flying the 753 to ETH is fun if you're an aviation geek, however the plane is less comfortable and tends to be late because boarding takes more time.They used to operate an ATR too but as far as I know they (finally) got rid of it.

Both companies offer significant discounts when purchasing a ticket pack (Called Tick-Tack with Arkia) and another discount on top of that for Eilat residents. The picture will obviously shift as soon as Ramon Airport becomes operational and transit times increase dramatically (around 25 minutes from the city centre without traffic jams). Right now its really awesome to be able to walk to the airport in SDV. get off the plane in ETH and walk to most places in the city.
Thanks. Flying to ETH for a work reason but this won't be a regular thing, meaning no need for a ticket pack. Definitely not a resident of Eilat either!

Originally Posted by elal767 View Post
A bit OT, but here's hoping that when Ramon Airport opens, RYR will enter the game and drive prices down, I've been flying them a lot lately - if they can do Paphos which is 40 minutes out of TLV, there is no reason they can't operate a flight from TLV to Eilat successfully.
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Surely they won't have domestic traffic rights.
Think they could easily get. MOT has been pushing to have foreign airlines enter the route in order to bring competition to the route.
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Originally Posted by joshwex90 View Post
Haven't decided yet which airport. Most of the prices have been similar enough.

I was aware they're T1, but haven't they been that way for awhile now? Or is the emphasis that arrival is T3?

Emphasis was arrival at T3 which is new
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Old Jan 28, 18, 3:19 am
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Originally Posted by Houminer View Post
Emphasis was arrival at T3 which is new
Why'd they switch?
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Old Jan 28, 18, 3:24 am
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Why'd they switch?
I don't know I hope it's temporary because of renovations at T1. In the future there will be arrivals at T1 for international low-cost flights, so maybe they are renovating the terminal for this.
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There has been talk of some foreign airlines establishing bases in Israel (with Israeli crews) so potentially not too far fetched for domestic routes. Could make sense to park planes in Eilat and fly mornings to TLV to pick up pax to Europe. I know it's the EU and all but Ryanair flies domestic flights in Germany and France, as does Easyjet (also Italy)
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Flying the 753 to ETH is fun if you're an aviation geek, however the plane is less comfortable and tends to be late because boarding takes more time.
I might just try it one of these days
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Old Jan 29, 18, 10:11 pm
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I might just try it one of these days
Well you better not wait too long, as they won't be around forever...
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Ryanair could definitely look into this route especially since the airport fees are so low for domestic flights. Israel Airports authority charges less to park a plane for a domestic flight at Ben Gurion airport than it charges for parking a car there.
Apparently Ryanair has been awarded rights to do so.
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