ELAL and the Volcano (merged)
Apr 15, 2010, 6:12 am
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ELAL and the Volcano (merged)
All UK airports have now been closed for minimum 6 hours, due to a volcanic cloud, LY315 was already on route to LHR.
The Heathrow website shows the flight as delayed, the ELAL website arrival and departure list is showing it departed at 10:21 but it's got TEL AVIV listed as the destination, and the ELAL website, schedule change page is showing the flight as cancelled, making me assume it returned to TLV, .
Anybody can confirm?
BTW the professional ELAL website has this message:
They seem to need some help in spelling.
The Heathrow website shows the flight as delayed, the ELAL website arrival and departure list is showing it departed at 10:21 but it's got TEL AVIV listed as the destination, and the ELAL website, schedule change page is showing the flight as cancelled, making me assume it returned to TLV, .
Anybody can confirm?
BTW the professional ELAL website has this message:
Flight Canceled - All flight in and out of the UK are cancelled for now duo to a volcanic eruption in iceland.
Last edited by ELAL; Apr 15, 2010 at 6:19 am
Apr 15, 2010, 6:32 am
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Apr 15, 2010, 12:34 pm
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Things seem to be esclating, list of routes currently cancelled.
London Heathrow
London Luton
Brussels
Amsterdam
Paris CDG
Frankfurt
Warsaw
Berlin
London Heathrow
London Luton
Brussels
Amsterdam
Paris CDG
Frankfurt
Warsaw
Berlin
Last edited by ELAL; Apr 16, 2010 at 5:25 am Reason: update
Apr 17, 2010, 12:42 pm
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ELAL and the Volcano
1. Anyone stranded in Europe (or Israel) due to volcano? How is LY handling this, are they offering hotel stays?
2. LY flights to N.A. usually go over Europe are they now going a much southern route? How does this lengthen the flight time?
2. LY flights to N.A. usually go over Europe are they now going a much southern route? How does this lengthen the flight time?
Apr 17, 2010, 1:09 pm
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It seems they fly the southern routes (which does rarely happen in normal days as well) - without substantial delays. But as of now the cloud starts to affect Spanish airspace - so we may start to see more serious delays due to extreme south routing.
According to this prognosis ( http://met.no/filestore/animation_2010041700.gif ) LY will be in deep trouble by Monday (assuming Algeria and Tunisia will not allow overfly).
What must be more alarming is the a/c and pax stuck in Europe and loss of revenue on these flights.
Currently in LTN: 4X-EBV
According to this prognosis ( http://met.no/filestore/animation_2010041700.gif ) LY will be in deep trouble by Monday (assuming Algeria and Tunisia will not allow overfly).
What must be more alarming is the a/c and pax stuck in Europe and loss of revenue on these flights.
Currently in LTN: 4X-EBV
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Apr 17, 2010, 2:55 pm
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It seems they fly the southern routes (which does rarely happen in normal days as well) - without substantial delays. But as of now the cloud starts to affect Spanish airspace - so we may start to see more serious delays due to extreme south routing.
According to this prognosis ( http://met.no/filestore/animation_2010041700.gif ) LY will be in deep trouble by Monday (assuming Algeria and Tunisia will not allow overfly).
What must be more alarming is the a/c and pax stuck in Europe and loss of revenue on these flights.
Currently in LTN: 4X-EBV
According to this prognosis ( http://met.no/filestore/animation_2010041700.gif ) LY will be in deep trouble by Monday (assuming Algeria and Tunisia will not allow overfly).
What must be more alarming is the a/c and pax stuck in Europe and loss of revenue on these flights.
Currently in LTN: 4X-EBV
Apr 18, 2010, 12:21 am
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thanks for the interesting link. According to it there is still a sliver north of Algeria/tunisia. Also I understand that if you fly low (I would not be surprised if in a few days that will begin to be a solution, especially from the UK to N.A. for the near UK segment) it is OK and LY can just 'tuck low' to not have to fly over tunisia.
1. IFR vs VFR - I am not sure whether flying low can be done in IFR - which is a requirement for commercial traffic.
2. Fuel - flying low means much more fuel to get you from A to B.
Apr 18, 2010, 1:18 am
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Current message on ELAL's website.
Due to the closing of several parts of the European AirSpace,ELAL will operate flights from Athens,Barcelona,Rome and Madrid Only.
2 Flights have been added as follows:
LY285 Departing from TLV at 12:00am to Rome arriving To Rome at 2:40pm
LY286 Departing from Rome at 4:05pm and arriving to TLV at 8:25pm
All other Destination Are Currently Close -England, Russia, Netherlands, Romania, Hungary, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, France, Ukraine and Italy (except for Rome).
Passengers whose flights have been cancelled will be rebooked through their travel agents or the elal call center with upon the re-opening of airports. .
2 Flights have been added as follows:
LY285 Departing from TLV at 12:00am to Rome arriving To Rome at 2:40pm
LY286 Departing from Rome at 4:05pm and arriving to TLV at 8:25pm
All other Destination Are Currently Close -England, Russia, Netherlands, Romania, Hungary, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, France, Ukraine and Italy (except for Rome).
Passengers whose flights have been cancelled will be rebooked through their travel agents or the elal call center with upon the re-opening of airports. .
Apr 18, 2010, 2:59 am
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Extra flights due to volcano - puzzled
Given that most european destinations are closed to flights, and that EL AL fly 777 and 744 (and even 767) aircraft pretty much daily to London and Paris, I am puzzled why they have not switched the Madrid and Rome flights for this week to larger aircraft. They seem to have just 738s scheduled, but more and more travelers are being advised to travel overland to MAD or FCO to get back to Israel. However, just looking at the schedules for this week makes depressing reading as nothing is available on the few (very small) EL AL flights from these places.
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Puzzled!
Apr 18, 2010, 3:19 am
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Given that most european destinations are closed to flights, and that EL AL fly 777 and 744 (and even 767) aircraft pretty much daily to London and Paris, I am puzzled why they have not switched the Madrid and Rome flights for this week to larger aircraft. They seem to have just 738s scheduled, but more and more travelers are being advised to travel overland to MAD or FCO to get back to Israel. However, just looking at the schedules for this week makes depressing reading as nothing is available on the few (very small) EL AL flights from these places.
Puzzled!
Puzzled!