medical letter to justify pre-boarding for 'invisible' condition?
Jul 22, 2019, 8:51 am
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Frans. You are wrong. I posted above the carte d'aide medical which you must have to be classified as "disabled". The link you posted is only for "limited mobility" and specifically states (had you read it) that it does not cover disabled. The carte is required for a dog (even a seeing eye) or any other state of disability. I know as I was required to get one here. It is totally unlike the US> For me to bring my "assistant" dog with me on planes or stores (I am color blind and have PTST - both from gulf one) I need this. In the US the animal can have a card (although not required except for airlines)
Jul 22, 2019, 10:21 am
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Q2: Is it admissible to request proof from disabled persons and persons with reduced mobility about their medical condition? 4 No. The Regulation does not impose any obligation on disabled persons and persons with reduced mobility to provide evidence of their disability or reduced mobility (whether medical or other) in order to justify the assistance requested. Thus, carriers are not allowed to ask for such a proof as a precondition of selling a ticket or of permitting carriage.
Jul 22, 2019, 11:18 am
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I'd worry a bit that if you show a GA some letter about a disability, the GA could question your fitness to fly. It would be OK to have something if asked, especially iof it is very clear that you're able to travel on your own, but I would be reluctant to show if to airline personnel unless absolutely necessary.
Jul 23, 2019, 1:51 am
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Frans you are correct. It is extremely rare. I am in a wheelchair. But occasionally some "every rule followed" will ask for the card before I can board at CDG.
Aug 16, 2019, 5:26 pm
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Often1 is right, the EC specificially states that the traveler does not have to have a ID stating disability.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites...012-171_en.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites...012-171_en.pdf
The law is:
Article 88 of Act No. 87-588 of 30 July 1987 on various social measures reads as follows:
"Art. 88. - Access to transport, places open to the public, as well as those allowing activity
professional, trainer or educator is allowed to the guide dogs of blind or accompanying assistance
persons holding the disability card provided for in Article L. 241-3 of the Code of Social Action and
families.
Aug 16, 2019, 5:32 pm
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That is a "working document" meaning it is not the law.
The law is:
Article 88 of Act No. 87-588 of 30 July 1987 on various social measures reads as follows:
"Art. 88. - Access to transport, places open to the public, as well as those allowing activity
professional, trainer or educator is allowed to the guide dogs of blind or accompanying assistance
persons holding the disability card provided for in Article L. 241-3 of the Code of Social Action and
families.
The law is:
Article 88 of Act No. 87-588 of 30 July 1987 on various social measures reads as follows:
"Art. 88. - Access to transport, places open to the public, as well as those allowing activity
professional, trainer or educator is allowed to the guide dogs of blind or accompanying assistance
persons holding the disability card provided for in Article L. 241-3 of the Code of Social Action and
families.
Aug 17, 2019, 5:39 pm
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Aug 18, 2019, 2:40 am
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In Germany I must have an ID with me at all time (passport, national identity card, ...) by law yet nobody but the Polizei can request to see it.
The law you quote says that to have a service dog, you must be a recognised disabled person. Not that you must have or present a disability ID. The wording is very clear, as is the wording of the european regulation I presented earlier in this thread.
When Air France are demanding to see proof of your disability in order for you to benefit from preboarding for example, they are breaking the law. They should not. A grocery store even more, you should consider refusing next time and if they refuse to serve you, call the police here and there.
The law you quote says that to have a service dog, you must be a recognised disabled person. Not that you must have or present a disability ID. The wording is very clear, as is the wording of the european regulation I presented earlier in this thread.
When Air France are demanding to see proof of your disability in order for you to benefit from preboarding for example, they are breaking the law. They should not. A grocery store even more, you should consider refusing next time and if they refuse to serve you, call the police here and there.
Sep 9, 2019, 4:39 pm
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Fransknorge. You should learn the difference between a working document and THE LAW. The working document is how they want to change the law, but as of today they can/may request the proof of your disability. And Katja, the example of the dog is just an example. But as to the OP note, airlines rarely (if ever) ask for documentation for early boarding. They may ask - but they don't usually
Sep 10, 2019, 6:26 am
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Sigh...
This is a draft of an interpretative document of regulation EC1107/2006 which is in force since 13 years, hence the working document in the title. This is the law.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...X%3A32006R1107
Nobody can ask you to show proof of disability when doing every day lives activity in the European Union. Last time I checked the EU value medical privacy quite highly.
This is a draft of an interpretative document of regulation EC1107/2006 which is in force since 13 years, hence the working document in the title. This is the law.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...X%3A32006R1107
Nobody can ask you to show proof of disability when doing every day lives activity in the European Union. Last time I checked the EU value medical privacy quite highly.
Sep 12, 2019, 2:31 pm
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Fransknorge, I beg to differ with you. I posted the european law and I have been asked to show my disability card several times in multiple european countries. But not for early boarding on an airplane. But to take my PTST dog into "no dog" areas.
But also note your post is specific re; "rights of disabled persons and persons with reduced mobility when traveling by air" If you plan on taking a service dog on an European Airplane, they will ask to see your disability card. I speak from experience
But also note your post is specific re; "rights of disabled persons and persons with reduced mobility when traveling by air" If you plan on taking a service dog on an European Airplane, they will ask to see your disability card. I speak from experience
Oct 8, 2019, 3:32 pm
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he is getting blind
Any time [VERY soon I hope] we will be flying to France from the States so my husband can get eye surgeries.
He is now nearly 100% blind in one eye and has very advance cataract in both eyes.
This condition developed very fast, so he does not have any type of ID stating this disability.
This being due to a medication he has to take for an extremely rare disease, what he has left of his sight is disappearing fast.
So, he has difficulty walking fast - because of loss of depth perception, and he is afraid, of course, of bumping into people and things.
Can he qualify for this pre-boarding ?
Thanks in advance for your help.
He is now nearly 100% blind in one eye and has very advance cataract in both eyes.
This condition developed very fast, so he does not have any type of ID stating this disability.
This being due to a medication he has to take for an extremely rare disease, what he has left of his sight is disappearing fast.
So, he has difficulty walking fast - because of loss of depth perception, and he is afraid, of course, of bumping into people and things.
Can he qualify for this pre-boarding ?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Oct 8, 2019, 3:56 pm
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Any time [VERY soon I hope] we will be flying to France from the States so my husband can get eye surgeries.
He is now nearly 100% blind in one eye and has very advance cataract in both eyes.
This condition developed very fast, so he does not have any type of ID stating this disability.
This being due to a medication he has to take for an extremely rare disease, what he has left of his sight is disappearing fast.
So, he has difficulty walking fast - because of loss of depth perception, and he is afraid, of course, of bumping into people and things.
Can he qualify for this pre-boarding ?
Thanks in advance for your help.
He is now nearly 100% blind in one eye and has very advance cataract in both eyes.
This condition developed very fast, so he does not have any type of ID stating this disability.
This being due to a medication he has to take for an extremely rare disease, what he has left of his sight is disappearing fast.
So, he has difficulty walking fast - because of loss of depth perception, and he is afraid, of course, of bumping into people and things.
Can he qualify for this pre-boarding ?
Thanks in advance for your help.
When you make your reservation, make sure that you enter that WC assistance is needed, or call the airline if there is no place for this online.
And pre-boarding will be almost automatic if he remains seated in the wheelchair at the boarding area. If not, get to the gate agents and tell them as soon as you (or they) arrive about his need for assistance. Chances are good they'll just wheel him down the jetway, which should make it easier for all of you.
Good luck!
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