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ILuvParis Aug 28, 2009 7:57 am

I think those of you complaining about the lesbian are missing the point and you are ignoring the comments she made later about being happy for two people who found each other. I certainly didn't get a sense that she would object to cooking for or catering such an event. My understanding was that what she was complaining about was that the SHOW was highlighting it when not everybody has the same rights. That said, she made a bigger deal of it than necessary.

magiciansampras Aug 28, 2009 7:58 am


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 12291760)
Bizarre episode last night. All the whining about how it wasn't right to make them cook for a bridal couple because "everyone can't get married". I would think that anyone in the food industry is going to be cooking for all kinds of married and to-be-married couples in their career, since a large percentage of the population falls into that category. Grow up.

I didn't interpret her beef in that way. She did cook for them. And she most likely would cook for them if it was her restaurant as well.

The beef, it seemed to me, was with Bravo who *chose* these challenges. This isn't someone walking into the restaurant looking for service. This is Bravo sitting around a boardroom table trying to come up with challenges. And if Bravo is supposedly liberal, then it is a little surprising that they would have an essentialist challenge like this.

I think her response was a little bit overblown, however (although, in truth, this probably had to do with the editing of the show).

magiciansampras Aug 28, 2009 7:58 am


Originally Posted by ILuvParis (Post 12295666)
I think those of you complaining about the lesbian are missing the point and you are ignoring the comments she made later about being happy for two people who found each other. I certainly didn't get a sense that she would object to cooking for or catering such an event. My understanding was that what she was complaining about was that the SHOW was highlighting it when not everybody has the same rights.

Wow. Same exact thought posted almost simultaneously. Scary. ;)

Hartmann Aug 28, 2009 8:20 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12295668)
I didn't interpret her beef in that way. She did cook for them. And she most likely would cook for them if it was her restaurant as well.

The beef, it seemed to me, was with Bravo who *chose* these challenges. This isn't someone walking into the restaurant looking for service. This is Bravo sitting around a boardroom table trying to come up with challenges. And if Bravo is supposedly liberal, then it is a little surprising that they would have an essentialist challenge like this.

I think her response was a little bit overblown, however (although, in truth, this probably had to do with the editing of the show).

I thought the comments were just out of place and a little strange. Me personally, I could care less if a chef is straight, gay, transgender, etc. I just want to know that they can cook, especially in the context of the show. If the show was Top Gay Chef then maybe her comments would be relevant. It seems that Bravo needed to fill a minute or two and found her comments to be enough "controversy" to fill them.

magiciansampras Aug 28, 2009 8:21 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 12295766)
Me personally,

Are you gay?

Hartmann Aug 28, 2009 8:32 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12295770)
Are you gay?

No, but I don't care if someone is gay or straight to interact with them. They're a person and that's it.

I am saying from a straight person's point of view, I do not see where the comments come into play for the show's eventual outcome. They have no bearing on whether she can cook or not and are not relevant to her winning the challenge.

Sure, it's her prerogative to bring it up and that's fine, I just didn't see the point. Was she thinking about refusing to cook for them?

magiciansampras Aug 28, 2009 8:36 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 12295821)
No, but I don't care if someone is gay or straight to interact with them. They're a person and that's it.

I am saying from a straight person's point of view, I do not see where the comments come into play for the show's eventual outcome. They have no bearing on whether she can cook or not and are not relevant to her winning the challenge.

Sure, it's her prerogative to bring it up and that's fine, I just didn't see the point. Was she thinking about refusing to cook for them?

I don't think she was refusing to cook for them. She was expressing her disappointment in a tv network that is supposedly pretty liberal to have an essentialist/traditional marriage task. Of all the challenges Bravo could cook up (pun not intended), this is the one they choose? If I was gay and excluded from a social institution such as marriage, I would probably be a little miffed as well. I would expect such an insensitivity on Fox, but Bravo?

Again, I think the emotions expressed were more about disappointment in the creators of the program than an attitude about not wanting to participate.

milepig Aug 28, 2009 9:00 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12295847)
I don't think she was refusing to cook for them. She was expressing her disappointment in a tv network that is supposedly pretty liberal to have an essentialist/traditional marriage task. Of all the challenges Bravo could cook up (pun not intended), this is the one they choose? If I was gay and excluded from a social institution such as marriage, I would probably be a little miffed as well. I would expect such an insensitivity on Fox, but Bravo?

Again, I think the emotions expressed were more about disappointment in the creators of the program than an attitude about not wanting to participate.

And next week they're cooking for a bunch of servicemen. Will we hear someone complain about how they're a pacifist and why is Bravo making them cook for these people?? Like I said, get a life.

magiciansampras Aug 28, 2009 9:07 am


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 12295970)
And next week they're cooking for a bunch of servicemen. Will we hear someone complain about how they're a pacifist and why is Bravo making them cook for these people?? Like I said, get a life.

I don't really see the same as similar in kind, but your point is taken.

Again, I'm not really trying to defend the comments so much as try to explain what I think the genesis of them is. I believe she was misconstrued.

TMOliver Aug 29, 2009 11:05 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12295999)
I don't really see the same as similar in kind, but your point is taken.

Again, I'm not really trying to defend the comments so much as try to explain what I think the genesis of them is. I believe she was misconstrued.

I wonder what the reaction would have been had self-announced active hetero made a similar comment about cooking for a reception after a gay or lesbian wedding (in a state where same sex marriages are legal)?

After all, when will the inevitable occur on "Top Chef", a request for the chefs to bake a bit of Bud in the Brownies? I guess they'll have to fly to Schipol to film that episdode.

magiciansampras Aug 29, 2009 11:09 am


Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 12300564)
I wonder what the reaction would have been had self-announced active hetero made a similar comment about cooking for a reception after a gay or lesbian wedding (in a state where same sex marriages are legal)?

Surely there would be a difference in reaction.

And shouldn't there be? Isn't there a bit of a difference between a minority member speaking out against the tyranny of the majority versus a majority member speaking out of against the minority?

tonypct Aug 29, 2009 11:10 am


Originally Posted by ILuvParis (Post 12295666)
I think those of you complaining about the lesbian are missing the point and you are ignoring the comments she made later about being happy for two people who found each other. I certainly didn't get a sense that she would object to cooking for or catering such an event. My understanding was that what she was complaining about was that the SHOW was highlighting it when not everybody has the same rights. That said, she made a bigger deal of it than necessary.

Wrong on all counts. I am not missing the point at all. Some of the posts following yours aptly reflect my point of view on this.


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12295670)
Wow. Same exact thought posted almost simultaneously. Scary. ;)

What a shock! ;)

magiciansampras Aug 29, 2009 11:11 am


Originally Posted by tonypct (Post 12300580)

What a shock! ;)

Shocking that we're right and you're wrong? Nah, that's obvious. :p

tonypct Aug 29, 2009 11:11 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12300578)
Surely there would be a difference in reaction.

And shouldn't there be? Isn't there a bit of a difference between a minority member speaking out against the tyranny of the majority versus a majority member speaking out of against the minority?

"Tyranny of the majority?" Are you kidding me? :rolleyes:

I know this is turning into an OMNI/PR thread so I'll stop now. :D

tonypct Aug 29, 2009 11:12 am


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 12300585)
Shocking that we're right and you're wrong? Nah, that's obvious. :p

Yes, you're right. Thanks for setting me straight. :rolleyes:


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