Does such a restaurant exist in this world?
 

Religious Travelers Forum has a LHR/London Kosher dining thread.

Do you know if a restaurant exists anywhere in the world, which can serve both kosher and halal meals? I would have thought London would have been the place, after Israel, which would seem to be the place to start looking.
[This is the only location I can think of which could have a market segment, but I hope there are other places. Locally, I think dining for kosher & halal is probably 20-45mins driving to different precincts in Sydney & Melbourne]

I'm not talking about ones which technically get through the easier way, e.g. vegetarian places which may not need certification. I'm thinking ones which can genuinely offer the real deal.

How about in the US? It's quite a feat as there's not necessarily a big market for it, but I would imagine it is technically possible to have suppliers and staff who could pull it off.

Surely amongst FTers there are some diners who have sought one or the other - and found restaurants that can do both?

(I'm not bothered either way, but wondered if it has been done successfully)

Sorry I can't help with your quest... but I must thank you for inspiring me to research what the differences are...

Stupidly (?) or at least "in ignorance"...I had thought they were very similar... but your comment that it would be "quite a feat" would suggest otherwise...

Time to google...:D

I imagine that at least some of the dishes at this vegan restaurant qualify as either Halal or Kosher or both.

http://www.safrestaurant.com/

Would that count?

I believe that muslims consider Kosher food to be Halal. So you would only need to find a Kosher restaurant.

That agrees with what I've just read.... In the "Rules" (;)) for Halal preparation it allows for meat slaughtered by other "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians).. presumably as long as the method used is still correct... (sharp blade across the throat/bled out)... Seems the only difference is that when conducted by a Moslem a prayer is said before/during.... There could of course be more to it than that!

It isn't just meat... but that seems to be the foodstuff with the most demanding requirements....

Very interesting!!

I must ask my dear old Mum for more information (She is on an Inter-Faith committee.. her Uniting Church and the local Islamic community....)

Learning something today!:D

P.S. jib71.. Love your sig line!

I'm silly for asking the question (having neither halal or kosher requirements) but figured that it's possible but would require both commitment and a decent product offering and customer base.

Vegan restaurants may scrape in on a technicality; I figure with so many people traveling (even 'Religious Travel'-ing ;)) we should be able to answer the question. Perhaps it will take some investigation.

If the answer is simply kosher restaurants, then we can follow this in the original LHR/London kosher thread in RT. :)

Every time I've searched this one the web, I have found references stating that there are a lot of similarities, but there are differences also. The Halal requirements seem to be a little more stringent; it would seem more likely that an a Jew who keeps kosher would have an easier time eating at a Halal restaurant than a Muslim at a Kosher restaurant.

http://www.missionislam.com/health/kosher.htm

Incidentally, I have family members that keep kosher and grew up in a kosher household, so I do have a pretty good understanding of Kashrut.

:o:o:o

Sorry! MIssed that bit. But there aren't that many enticing vegan restaurants in Europe.

So would the obverse be true or false: Jews consider Halal food to be Kosher; you would only need to find a Halal restaurant?

This is incredibly complex and the short answer is it is not possible to create a restaurant that would meet the dietary restrictions of all jews and all muslims. You could create something that would work for some jews and some muslims.

Thing is neither religion is homogeneous about what meets the dietary requirements, there are variations among different sects and factions, since neither religion has a single central authority.

There's much more to both Kosher and Halal than the butchering. Muslims are OK with shellfish for example but that would be treif to a jew keeping kosher.

A vegan or ovo-lacto vegetarian restaurant should work for all muslims and most jews, but the most ultra-orthodox jews would find the lack of rabbinical supervision a problem but they are unlikely to eat out at any restaurant regardless.

Halal can be pretty tough to nail down, about the only thing everyone agrees on is no pork, pretty much the rest of it is open for interpretation. Some muslims think that meat must be specifically prayed over by an imam, other's believe it's sufficient to say a prayer themselves, still others think it's all good as long as what your eating wasn't sacrificed to another (i.e. pagan) god. The koran says "the food of the people of the book is halal" but it seems that most muslims have a different read on that than the literal interpretation that Kosher is, well kosher.

This is all interesting on a hypothetical level, but my challenge is for each of us to discover such a working restaurant, which would satisfy people of both religions, with moderate religious dining requirements. ;)

Easier said than done, but resourceful and well-travelled diners should read, hear or see such a place.

Here's a tip: somewhere great with fish - how religiously tolerant. :p
(Technically borderline cheating the hard stuff, IMO! To keep it challenging, no fast food 'restaurants', OK :D)

And I thought I already had :p

No reason to make things any more difficult when I already have enough of a challenge finding a working restaurant that will satisfy both my husband's and my own dietary requirements. MrLapLap loves Ramen, passionately.

Will we ever be able to find a place that serves decent Ramen where I can eat something too? Does such a restaurant exist in this world?