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grumbler Sep 26, 2008 1:21 pm

Not sure I really care about the view when I am focusing on really good eating.

I would suggest:

Arzak or Martin Berasategui, San Sebastian
Tawaraya, Kyoto
Helene Darroze, Paris

milepig Sep 26, 2008 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by violist (Post 10370396)
In the USA, TFL was of course remarkable; the only
flaw was the nearly $500pp tab (we had some nice wines).

My French Laundry experience was also remarkable, and the tab a bit less than $500, but not by much. I don't find that a "flaw" as such since we both left feeling like we had gotten good value for the money. Did we eat $500 worth of food - of course not - but the entire experience was perfect, professional without being stuffy, their main goal seemed to be to figure out where each customer's head was at and to adjust their service to reflect that. We were in the middle of a very relaxing wine weekend and our service was equally relaxed. An ajoining table was pretty clearly occupied by a group where the host was "showing off", and their service was much more formal and restrained.

We got a great night's entertainment for what actually wasn't that much more than a show combined with a much more ordinary meal.

BiziBB Sep 27, 2008 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 10431108)
My French Laundry experience was also remarkable, and the tab a bit less than $500, but not by much...

We got a great night's entertainment for what actually wasn't that much more than a show combined with a much more ordinary meal.

Would such a meal customarily approach $700 (+ ?) after gratuities?
(For budgeting purposes... ;))

Fraser Sep 27, 2008 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by BiziBB (Post 10365060)
I have never known such a combination would happen, but some people believe it has been achieved:
  • Acclaim in respected awards
  • Breathtaking location / view
  • Flawless service
  • Excellent and extensive wine list
  • Challenging, inventive, creative food that tastes amazing
  • Is good value

?

Sydney is lucky to have some restaurants that have potential to do it all.
I'd like to hear of your own finds around the world, either your local city or memorable places from your travels.
Hopefully you can add a link.

Do you know of restaurants that tick all of the criteria? Failing that, ones which tick (at least) the amazing food and value 'boxes'?

Of those criteria listed I'd say Aria (which does happen to be in Sydney) is about as good as I've had...well apart from #6, we indulged a bit on the wine front.:o

Also the River Cafe in Brooklyn...


Originally Posted by TheEngineer (Post 10370712)
If you are dining with someone who has it all you probably want to order antibiotics :D

:D

milepig Sep 29, 2008 8:26 am


Originally Posted by BiziBB (Post 10436210)
Would such a meal customarily approach $700 (+ ?) after gratuities?
(For budgeting purposes... ;))

Varies widely, depending on the wine(s) you choose.

From the FL webside, the current price of the tasting menus is $240, but it is clear that this price includes gratuities.

The wine list has a very nice variety of wines in all price ranges. When it was just the two of us the staff helped us pick a selection of wines by the glass, and then for a couple of the courses split a single glass between us - the courses are many and I was driving! I'd be surprised if the wines added another $150 - so you're up to $630. But, you could also spend much more on the wine.

BiziBB Sep 30, 2008 12:07 am


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 10441406)
Varies widely, depending on the wine(s) you choose.

From the FL webside, the current price of the tasting menus is $240, but it is clear that this price includes gratuities.
...I'd be surprised if the wines added another $150 - so you're up to $630. But, you could also spend much more on the wine.


That's a relief! I am never 100% sure if tip inflation, sneaky tip sharing practices/charges or general underpaying of staff means that the cost of tipping in a US restaurant has risen.

I'd have guessed for such an acclaimed restaurant, that a 30% tip would be a benchmark (baseline?) for a great meal, so I'd have expected to pay $150 on top of the restaurant prices.

I was unaware that restaurants (like FL) did estimates like this in their promotions.

milepig Sep 30, 2008 9:00 am


Originally Posted by BiziBB (Post 10445685)
That's a relief! I am never 100% sure if tip inflation, sneaky tip sharing practices/charges or general underpaying of staff means that the cost of tipping in a US restaurant has risen.

I'd have guessed for such an acclaimed restaurant, that a 30% tip would be a benchmark (baseline?) for a great meal, so I'd have expected to pay $150 on top of the restaurant prices.

I was unaware that restaurants (like FL) did estimates like this in their promotions.

I should have been clearer, it isn't an "estimate", the price is "service included".

See:

http://www.tkrg.org/upload/fl_menu.pdf


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