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kaukau Nov 7, 2007 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by Martinis at 8 (Post 8691774)
Don't play footsies with your client's wife unless (1) she initiates, and (2) the tablecloth is very long :D

When the wine steward pours a taste to the host and steps back, don't say "EXCUSE ME, but he'd like a FULL glass, and I'd like some TOO! Sheesh!" :D

Jimmy67 Nov 7, 2007 12:31 pm

ONLY in USA
 
Please have in mind that most ( if not all) the do's and don'ts described here are only valid in USAmerican business dinner "culture".

I worked in Japan, Germany, South ernEurope.. and it is much much different from what is decribed here

kaukau Nov 7, 2007 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmy67 (Post 8692087)
Please have in mind that most ( if not all) the do's and don'ts described here are only valid in USAmerican business dinner "culture".

I worked in Japan, Germany, South ernEurope.. and it is much much different from what is decribed here

Please elaborate!!!

Mahalo!

tednugent(no relation) Nov 7, 2007 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmy67 (Post 8692087)
Please have in mind that most ( if not all) the do's and don'ts described here are only valid in USAmerican business dinner "culture".

I worked in Japan, Germany, South ernEurope.. and it is much much different from what is decribed here

Jimmy's comment is very true and bears remembering. ^

Anyone seen the movie "A Good Year" with Russel Crowe & Albert Finney?
There is a great scene, set in an outdoor bistro in a provincial town in French wine country where a (stereotypically boorish) American couple orders, among other things: "a salad with low-cal dressing and bacon bits" and 2 "double Mai-Tai's" to drink.
The entire restaurant cheers when they are told to leave :D


Originally Posted by kaukau (Post 8691952)
When the wine steward pours a taste to the host and steps back, don't say "EXCUSE ME, but he'd like a FULL glass, and I'd like some TOO! Sheesh!" :D

LOL!
And don't pound the wine back and challenge everyone else at the table to "chug it!, chug it!" :rolleyes:

On a serious note, kaukau, (and some purists here will cringe) even though I as host will order the wine, I always ask (instruct?) our server to pour some out for my wife as well, since her palate is more refined than mine and I value her judgement in all things. ^

A hui hou.

Jimmy67 Nov 7, 2007 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by tednugent(no relation) (Post 8692178)



On a serious note, kaukau, (and some purists here will cringe) even though I as host will order the wine, I always ask (instruct?) our server to pour some out for my wife as well, since her palate is more refined than mine and I value her judgement in all things. ^

A hui hou.

In case you are in a classy Michelin-star restaurant in Germany, usually the Sommelier ( wine steward) is tasting the wine at first.
And then asks the guests who wants to taste second

haniboo Nov 7, 2007 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by ECOTONE (Post 8691728)
I usually let the client pick out a bottle of wine. Ran into a situation where we ended up with a $600 bottle and he bought 3 $65 glasses of scotch as well. Certainly more than I was prepared to spend! This was however the exception, rather than the norm.

i think you and i, or at least your guest and i live in different hemispheres--but, really, who does that?! i'm curious now, or nosey maybe, but what kind of business is that person in?

[QUOTE=tednugent(no relation); even though I as host will order the wine, I always ask (instruct?) our server to pour some out for my wife as well, since her palate is more refined than mine and I value her judgement in all things. ^

A hui hou.[/QUOTE]

^^

kaukau Nov 7, 2007 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by tednugent(no relation)

On a serious note, [B
kaukau[/B], (and some purists here will cringe) even though I as host will order the wine, I always ask (instruct?) our server to pour some out for my wife as well, since her palate is more refined than mine and I value her judgement in all things. ^

No cringing here. Totally concur.

It's also good to handle the wine tasting expeditiously, with a little panache, not overly flamboyant or theatrical: don't make a big production out of it. Alternatively, one may dispense with the tasting altogether, and instruct the server to "Please go ahead and pour. I'm well familiar with this wine. ;) This is also appropriate when ordering a second bottle of the same wine: "Please pour. The first bottle was delicious. I'm sure the second will be equally so."

tednugent(no relation) Nov 7, 2007 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmy67 (Post 8692254)
In case you are in a classy Michelin-star restaurant in Germany, usually the Sommelier ( wine steward) is tasting the wine at first.
And then asks the guests who wants to taste second

All my Michelin guides for Germany (Frankfurt, Koln) are from the pre-Wiedervereinigung (sp?) days, so they may be out of date. :(

Even then, some of the best restaurants in Berlin were in the Ost, so I don't know if they're still around.

Tschuss!

kaukau Nov 7, 2007 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmy67 (Post 8692254)
In case you are in a classy Michelin-star restaurant in Germany, usually the Sommelier ( wine steward) is tasting the wine at first.
And then asks the guests who wants to taste second

Absolutely! Fewer and fewer U.S. restaurants employ a full-time sommelier! Love it when I dine at one. Hugo's Cellar in the 4 Queens casino on Fremont St., Las Vegas has a sommelier. He's the guy in the Tux with the ashtray on a chain around his neck! ;) :D

BearX220 Nov 7, 2007 1:18 pm

Don't order anything with bones in it. If you are wearing a light-colored shirt, don't order anything with red sauce. Don't have more than two drinks, no matter what the client is drinking. I once had to leave the table (and a client who was pounding the Scotch and wanted me to stick with him) to ask the server to start slipping me apple juice in a rocks glass.

tednugent(no relation) Nov 7, 2007 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by kaukau (Post 8692325)
Absolutely! Fewer and fewer U.S. restaurants employ a full-time sommelier! Love it when I dine at one. Hugo's Cellar in the 4 Queens casino on Fremont St., Las Vegas has a sommelier. He's the guy in the Tux with the ashtray on a chain around his neck! ;) :D

Michel's at the Colony Surf in Waikiki has one as well. ^

Just as important as recognizing the sommelier (or "wine captain" if you can't pronounce the other word) is knowing how to interact with and then tip him.
If I have consulted the wine captain, I seek him out at the end of the meal, and tip him individually (10-20% of the value of the wines ordered, ~$20-30, cash).

Auwe kaukau, maybe we need a "wine ordering 101 class" in the Islands.
(but no shorts, rubbah slippahs or pidgin allowed :D)

kaukau Nov 7, 2007 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by tednugent(no relation) (Post 8692396)
[B]Auwe kaukau, maybe we need a "wine ordering 101 class" in the Islands.
(but no shorts, rubbah slippahs or pidgin allowed :D)

You know you can count me and Mrs. k. in! Same for Mr. and Mrs. Ripper3785.

I understand the no surf shorts or rubbah slippahs restriction; but, for why we no can say "okole maluma" and "suck'em up!" after determining that the fine bottle of Premier Cru we've selected is fit for our consumption?

:D

Sirecca Nov 7, 2007 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by mjcewl1284 (Post 8687706)
Don't eat anything messy such as ribs or chicken. Anything that you might need to touch with your hands for aid. Very bad impression waiting to happen there.

I made this mistake very early in my career. Although I was the client in this case, I ordered a big, messy cheeseburger for lunch while everyone else got salads. I spent most of my time trying to wipe the sauce from my chin and keeping the burger from falling into pieces as I ate it.

AC110 Nov 7, 2007 3:35 pm

When you're at an interview, and they ask you for dinner or lunch after the interview is over, the interview isn't over.

They want to see how you handle yourself, how you treat the wait staff, your table manners, etc.

If unsure at any point, follow the boss's or client's example. Be reserved but confident, order from the middle price range and no messy food, and for heaven's sake don't put on airs or pretend to be something you're not to impress anyone. It will be more obvious than you think.

My first such dinner, at a high-end restaurant in Moscow, was when I was younger and more naive. I didn't clue in that the interview wasn't over. I got the job though, so I guess my dear mama managed to drill some table manners into me in the end.

BearX220 Nov 7, 2007 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by AC110 (Post 8693243)
They want to see how you handle yourself, how you treat the wait staff, your table manners, etc...

The wait staff test is pretty standard -- if you treat them like servants, you're downgraded.

And it may be an urban legend, but I used to hear that at some companies, if you salted / peppered your restaurant food without tasting it first, you were automatically out of the running because it meant you were too programmed or not open-minded or something.


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