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Originally Posted by wannagoexplore (Post 8620722)

but certainly did the trick.

Nice way to put it! I like it.... :D

"It does help that it is made from top quality natural ingredients and not the garbage that goes into most mass-produced beers."

The macros don't use poor quality ingredients. They have a brand to protect and they use excellent quality hops, grain, water and yeast as well. They also brew in a much more consistent manner than the micros. They do add things like corn which adds highly fermentable sugars to the mash to increase the attenuation of the yeast. By doing this, they can make a beer that tastes lighter and people can easily drink a lot of. It might not have as much taste as a micro, but it's not accurate to look down on it as low quality.

For me, I'll go bud or miller lite. I do like the budvar yeast and bud has a reasonable amount of taste in it. Miller lite is nice and has a good hop character. I just wish that the US breweries would realize that light doesn't have to apply to both calories and alcohol. The only good beer I found in Australia was the low carb kind...they were full alcohol though.

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Originally Posted by kipper

Stegmaier isn't bad, and when Mr. Kipper was in college, it was cheaper than Beast per ounce. It was $11 for pounders.

When violist was in college, Piels was $3.49 for 24x12.
Sometimes down to $2.99 on sale.

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Originally Posted by thegeneral (Post 8623041)

"It does help that it is made from top quality natural ingredients and not the garbage that goes into most mass-produced beers."

The macros don't use poor quality ingredients. They have a brand to protect and they use excellent quality hops, grain, water and yeast as well. They also brew in a much more consistent manner than the micros. They do add things like corn which adds highly fermentable sugars to the mash to increase the attenuation of the yeast. By doing this, they can make a beer that tastes lighter and people can easily drink a lot of. It might not have as much taste as a micro, but it's not accurate to look down on it as low quality.

The majors do use low quality ingredients - and as as a consequence they also use tons of additives, preservatives and E-numbers, all of which they are not required to declare in - at least not in the USA and not in most of the EU. Guess who lobbied for those laws?

As for consistency, some of the junk that goes in a Heineken or Becks in USA is not even allowed in Germany, so how do you figure. The only thing consistent is the mediocrity. In any case beer is supposed to be a craft product not a product that staste the same every time it is brewed - THAT is what those additives are required for, along with a dumbed down brwing process.

Corn as used by the major breweries is cheap junk added to beer because the US govt pays the tab via farm subsidies - which same reason as that corn ends up in coke, in cows, pancake syrup and a million other things you never realised - cheap filler. Ditto for rice. Dont let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise.