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nkedel Apr 10, 2011 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by General_Flyer (Post 16181094)
Come to think of it, most Asian airports I know have MC.D's, KFC, Burger King, yet no Subway... Interesting... :rolleyes:

Pretty sure there is a Subway in BKK, basement level by the ARL entrance. (Yes, I appreciate that the ARL is also underground for a little ways there.)

exbayern Apr 11, 2011 11:22 am

Long live the king, the king is dead.

Burger King left MUC and was replaced by a 'flagship' McDonald with a regular McDonald´s, McCafé, Businesszone and McDrive and up to five hours of free parking with purchase. It is outside/landside in the central area though.

(Not that I have ever eaten there, but I was happy to see Burger King go as they have taken over so many of the Autobahn reststops)

BamaVol Apr 12, 2011 10:33 am

I seem to recall McDonalds disappearing from BHM a few years back and ultimately being replaced by Golden Rule BBQ. A positive trade-off except at breakfast time IMO.

HIDDY, are you sure about McD being a fire risk? I've eaten at a BK in a UK airport (MAN?) within the last couple years. Wouldn't the flame broiling process be a bigger risk than the McD grill?

HIDDY Apr 12, 2011 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by notsosmart (Post 16189657)
Seriously?


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 16205060)

HIDDY, are you sure about McD being a fire risk? I've eaten at a BK in a UK airport (MAN?) within the last couple years. Wouldn't the flame broiling process be a bigger risk than the McD grill?

I do apologise.....I was only partly correct.

After a major fire caused by fat/grease at Heathrow a few years ago BAA the owners banned all BK and McD's outlets at all of their airports. MAN isn't owned by BAA so your MAN experience is correct. So none at LHR etc.

emma69 Apr 13, 2011 10:41 am

I think it is due in part to some airports being run by an overseeing group (Sodexo, Compass group etc) which has its own specific brand partners (like BK for Compass).

bk3day Apr 13, 2011 12:06 pm

MIA does have a McDonalds.

It's tucked in the right hand corner of the small food court between the H & J concourses.

At IAD, I've never bothered to look for/notice a McDonalds, as I'd prefer to get my burger fix at 1 of the 2 Five Guys locations

swag Apr 14, 2011 6:53 am

One other facet... Of the big fast food chains, I think McD's has by far the best coffee. I'm so glad the fast food at DAL is McD's, as it's the only decent cup of coffee you can get airside. (Someone explain to me how a pastry place like Cinnabon can serve such dreadful java?)

Is Love Field the biggest airport in the US without an airside Starbucks or specialty coffee place?

MrColdShower Apr 14, 2011 7:05 am

RNO has one. It's at the bottom of the escalators, pre-security.

http://renoairport.com/dining-shopping/

WCT3U Apr 14, 2011 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by swag (Post 16216428)
One other facet... Of the big fast food chains, I think McD's has by far the best coffee. I'm so glad the fast food at DAL is McD's, as it's the only decent cup of coffee you can get airside. (Someone explain to me how a pastry place like Cinnabon can serve such dreadful java?)

Is Love Field the biggest airport in the US without an airside Starbucks or specialty coffee place?

I can't drink McD's coffee. Dunkin Donuts has the best, IMHO.

nkedel Apr 14, 2011 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by WCT3U (Post 16218578)
I can't drink McD's coffee. Dunkin Donuts has the best, IMHO.

I don't drink coffee, but as an expatriate NYer, I miss Dunkin Donuts here in the Bay Area. On-airport locations are handy for bringing home for other expatriate East-coasters... DFW, ORD have them. I think BOS does, or used to, but it's been a long time since I've been through. Any others?

AdAstraPerAspera Apr 15, 2011 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by nissan720 (Post 16190444)
Interesting to see the list. I believe that there was a McDonalds at MCI a few years ago.

You might be thinking of the Burger King in Terminal B, upper level (food court). MCI used to be my home base until last year, and I'm 100% sure there's never been a McD's there, unless you're referring to pre-2003 (that was before my time) ;)

N830MH Oct 11, 2011 12:41 am

Haven't you ever see McDonalds at airport?
 
Hi All,

I realize that what I knows about McDonalds at airports and becase it was too many passengers who wanted to eat at McDonalds all of the times. I dislike it to eat at McDonalds anymore. I know for which US airports who still served the McDonalds is:

ORD, MSP, ATL (concourse E), MIA (concourse J), JFK T7.

Can put on those lists for which US Airports who have McDonalds.

I wasn't sure why these passengers who wanted to eat at McDonalds. Why they can't get rid of it.

pseudoswede Oct 11, 2011 9:28 am

Miss Swede has food allergies. When travelling through airports, we can be sure that McDonald's will have something available for her to eat: plain hamburger and fries. If there are other viable options at the airport (Subway, for example), we'll try to steer her towards that than McD's. Mrs. Swede and I will look into other options for our own consumption.

Mr. Vker Oct 11, 2011 12:25 pm

BWI has one in the WN food concourse area. Its on the second level between the A and B piers.

missydarlin Oct 11, 2011 12:33 pm

SNA has one

SEA has a Burger King in the N concourse. And we have a Wendy's in the Central food court area.

BearX220 Oct 11, 2011 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17253701)
Why they can't get rid of it.

Because in America we can eat anything we like. While I don't frequent McDonald's in everyday life, when I'm in an airport the alternatives are often weird, expensive, goopy/wet, don't look clean, take forever, are staffed by incompetents, or otherwise even worse, so I often opt for McDonald's myself. The little regular cheeseburgers.

Doc Savage Oct 11, 2011 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17253701)

I wasn't sure why these passengers who wanted to eat at McDonalds. Why they can't get rid of it.

It is cheap and quick. Much better than having to buy a $10 sandwich at a little shop, or a $20 meal at a restaurant that may take TOO long to come when you are in a hurry.

rubesl Oct 11, 2011 12:54 pm

DTW in the center of the main, McNamara, terminal.

N830MH Oct 11, 2011 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by rubesl (Post 17256546)
DTW in the center of the main, McNamara, terminal.

Right. I ate at McDonalds for Breakfast time before I fly next flight out. I took on redeye flight to DTW.

dgreen12 Oct 11, 2011 1:47 pm

LAX T7, by gate 73 (at least there used to be one there).

Compared to most airport fare: McD's is cheap, reliable, fast.

mobilebucky Oct 11, 2011 1:52 pm

Compare Mickey D's food versus what the airlines serve on the plane, I think it is a gourmet meal. ;)

By the way, not in the US but CDG has one too.

CMK10 Oct 11, 2011 3:13 pm

Several in DFW, in A, B, C and D (at least)

DCA in the AA pier, possibly others here too

DEN in all Terminals I believe

LGA in the US Terminal

BDL post security

IAH in Concourse B

SAN outside security and inside security (pretty rare)

SNA by Gate 7 I think.

Please don't think me crazy for pulling these all off the top of my head, I'm a McDonalds apologist and always happy when I find one. McGriddles and Big Macs are guilty pleasures I allow myself when traveling.

Non-NonRev Oct 11, 2011 3:34 pm

At least three locations in ORD's Terminal 3 (food court, H concourse, K concourse) - but then, with its world headquarters in nearby Oak Brook, McDonalds qualifies as a local food vendor at ORD ;)

Myself, I prefer Burrito Beach, both for the food and because they serve Diet Dr. Pepper ^ (I also look forward to the soon-to-open Rick Bayless/Frontera outlet in T3).

CMK10 Oct 11, 2011 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by Non-NonRev (Post 17257404)
At least three locations in ORD's Terminal 3 (food court, H concourse, K concourse) - but then, with its world headquarters in nearby Oak Brook, McDonalds qualifies as a local food vendor at ORD ;)

Can't believe I forgot ORD! I've eaten at the one in the AA concourse numerous times. MDW has at least one too.

DJGMaster1 Oct 11, 2011 7:00 pm

It's true that McDonalds has been head and shoulders the best of all U.S. fast food outlets in terms of the quality of their breakfasts, but, surprisingly, Jack in the Box, of all vendors, has recently come out with several breakfast offerings that are quite decent

N830MH Oct 11, 2011 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by Non-NonRev (Post 17257404)
At least three locations in ORD's Terminal 3 (food court, H concourse, K concourse) - but then, with its world headquarters in nearby Oak Brook, McDonalds qualifies as a local food vendor at ORD ;)

Myself, I prefer Burrito Beach, both for the food and because they serve Diet Dr. Pepper ^ (I also look forward to the soon-to-open Rick Bayless/Frontera outlet in T3).

Yes, they have McDonalds at entire terminal 2 in adjustment E & F concourse.

cblaisd Oct 11, 2011 11:07 pm

Please keep things civil and on-topic. Thank you.

cblaisd
Moderator, Dining Buzz

Ancien Maestro Oct 15, 2011 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16180674)
Recently Subway passed McDonalds for the fast food title in the United States.

Over the years many McDonalds have left airports, either outbid by the competitors when their lease or whatever the deal is called was up for rebidding, or because they (airport) raised the price so much they didn't want to stay and a Carls Jr or Burger King came in. In some other cases, it's because a giant company takes over all the food service, and brings in one of their franchises or a franchise they own.

I think McDonalds looks at every location, and if they can't get the deal they need to make the profit they want, they won't bid or won't stay. I think airports, and in many areas highway rest stops, are areas they are getting out of.

From a commercial property standpoint.. I think Cordelli has a point..

National chains tend to want to get the type of lease, otherwise not get involved.. so that means slippage for the landlord, and exclusive rights in a property to sell foods no other tenant can offer..

exbayern Oct 16, 2011 2:19 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16180674)
Recently Subway passed McDonalds for the fast food title in the United States.

I believe that this is sadly true not just in the US. Go to many places around the world and Subway appears.

I say 'sadly' because McDonalds appears to be one American chain which really did their international expansion with respect and understanding for local markets, and offers menu items tailored to the local taste buds. I believe that their charity programs also extend around the world.

My McCafe example on the Autobahn is similar to the few McDonalds experiences I have had around the world; china cup and side sweet of the local biscuit brand, whereas in the US it would be a paper cup and no side sweet.

I will saw however that the monthly 'specials' which McDonalds heavily promotes on television and radio in Germany sound pretty frightening sometimes, especially during pseudo-Asian week.

Ancien Maestro Oct 16, 2011 10:21 am

The other aspect about McDonalds is the threat to competitors.. Its like Edo in malls..

Open up an Edo, and you get a swarm of people going to the restaurants and other fast food outlets sitting without customers.

Open up a McDonalds, in airports and the threat to viability of other outlets come into question, as consumers flock to the fastest, price competitive option.

This is just one factor amongst many others..

United_727 Nov 19, 2011 7:44 am

You can add ROC to the list of having both a McD and a Subway past security.

Kevin AA Nov 20, 2011 7:15 pm

I'm not a big fan of McDonald's but I'll eat their breakfast at the airport occasionally. Burger King breakfast, on the other hand, is totally disgusting :td:

exbayern Nov 21, 2011 11:51 am


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 17282664)
Open up a McDonalds, in airports and the threat to viability of other outlets come into question, as consumers flock to the fastest, price competitive option.

That may be true in North America but I don't think that it holds true around the globe.

I can think of a few McDonalds which really only get business as they are convenient rest stops based on their bathrooms. The ones in Himalchal Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh come to mind. The one in the Getreidegasse has been there for decades, and while it may be a destination for Americans, I know locals who will use it as a pit stop only.

It's a chilly weekend in central Europe, and the local mall where I am this week was crowded. On the upper level (cannot call it a food court), every eatery had people seated and waiting, from Lebanese to sushi to Indian to German seafood. Only the McDonalds had one or two customers at a time. Outside in the pedestrian zone there was not a single customer at the McCafe window, while the local coffee houses were full.

The McDonalds at MUC doesn't seem to do a roaring business, and I doubt that the other eateries are that concerned about losing business to them. I often have to wait a very long time at the local Turkish fast food at MUC, and that for instance hasn't changed since McDonalds took over from Burger King.

Ancien Maestro Nov 21, 2011 10:32 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 17491938)
That may be true in North America but I don't think that it holds true around the globe.

I can think of a few McDonalds which really only get business as they are convenient rest stops based on their bathrooms. The ones in Himalchal Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh come to mind. The one in the Getreidegasse has been there for decades, and while it may be a destination for Americans, I know locals who will use it as a pit stop only.

It's a chilly weekend in central Europe, and the local mall where I am this week was crowded. On the upper level (cannot call it a food court), every eatery had people seated and waiting, from Lebanese to sushi to Indian to German seafood. Only the McDonalds had one or two customers at a time. Outside in the pedestrian zone there was not a single customer at the McCafe window, while the local coffee houses were full.

The McDonalds at MUC doesn't seem to do a roaring business, and I doubt that the other eateries are that concerned about losing business to them. I often have to wait a very long time at the local Turkish fast food at MUC, and that for instance hasn't changed since McDonalds took over from Burger King.

You are correct.. as you know my flying experience is basically within NA confines..:)

N830MH Nov 21, 2011 10:59 pm


Originally Posted by Kevin AA (Post 17488105)
I'm not a big fan of McDonald's but I'll eat their breakfast at the airport occasionally. Burger King breakfast, on the other hand, is totally disgusting :td:

Me, either. I won't eat at McDonalds anymore. It's so disgusting! I dislike to eat at McDonalds. This is unhealthy foods.

In-N-Out Burger is a best fast-food. IT is numbered#1 in the finest world. I like go to eat at In-N-Out Burger. It's so delicious!

CMK10 Nov 22, 2011 11:15 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17495603)
Me, either. I won't eat at McDonalds anymore. It's so disgusting! I dislike to eat at McDonalds. This is unhealthy foods.

In-N-Out Burger is a best fast-food. IT is numbered#1 in the finest world. I like go to eat at In-N-Out Burger. It's so delicious!

You do realize a Double Double is 670 calories with 41 grams of fat, right?

Ancien Maestro Nov 22, 2011 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17495603)
Me, either. I won't eat at McDonalds anymore. It's so disgusting! I dislike to eat at McDonalds. This is unhealthy foods.

In-N-Out Burger is a best fast-food. IT is numbered#1 in the finest world. I like go to eat at In-N-Out Burger. It's so delicious!


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 17498342)
You do realize a Double Double is 670 calories with 41 grams of fat, right?

:D

I actually like the Meal salads and juices at McDonalds.. actually pretty healthy meal to have on the go.:)

RustyC Apr 13, 2013 12:47 am

McDonald's exec says "service is broken" (at McDonald's)
 
Read all about it


The company told franchisees during a webcast last month that 20 percent of complaints were related to workers’ attitudes, “and it’s increasing,” according to the Wall Street Journal. Gripes about “rude or unprofessional employees” topped the list, and complaints that it took too long to get food increased “significantly,” over the last six months.
In related news, bears still tend to relieve themselves in the woods...

Seriously, though, the conditions for employees are probably stressful and the pay of course very low, and complaints about treatment always grate the most, even if they started as a complaint about something else.

Drive-thrus can be a disaster, though I'm always amazed how many people will sit in a 6 or 7-car line and inevitably get stuck behind someone with a large and/or varied order (the kind that really gum things up) rather than park and walk inside.

But even if you do go inside, you're still subject to my biggest pet peeve: They don't count the time it takes to get your order taken. They only count from when the order is taken to when it's delivered, and employees tend to punch it out as complete well before it's delivered. But by not measuring the initial wait, they just ensure the problem gets shifted there.

McCafe tends to slow things down if it takes from the same resources as the rest of the operation, as it usually does. The classic fast-food mistake is to try to have too big a menu, to where inevitably someone will order something that's not ready to go and either jam the drive-thru or be sent to the pullover area (if there is one).

Some problems are obviously inadequate training, and if they get behind on the fries, it pulls the whole operation down.

I give McD's credit at least for trying harder than most. They're much better overseas on consistency of quality than the competition, and years ago they finally bit the bullet and redesigned the kitchens to try to make the food fresher (the post-redesign ones have people pulling patties out of small drawers).

In this case, though, I think the most basic problem is that they need people who'll work both hard and smart, and those that would aren't gonna go for the wages (a part I doubt they'd even consider changing). So we'll probably get this same discussion in 10 or 20 years from now.

sonofzeus Apr 13, 2013 3:58 am

Went to McD yesterday for breakfast. Handed the cashier my BOGO coupon, gave her my order, paid her and waited 7 minutes for my (predictably mediocre) food. Easiest buck I ever spent. I'll visit again in 6-7 months.

TrojanHorse Apr 13, 2013 6:02 am

My two problems with this type of fast food

1. Language, English is seldom spoken or understood

2. Drivethru - waits - not so much that there are five cars in front of me, I knew that when I pulled in, but when you have one problem child (car), make that car pull up in a waiting zone and have one of your staff bring it out when its ready and then process the rest, it would move the line much faster. If the line moves faster, less complaints


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