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shillard Nov 7, 2005 4:46 am


Originally Posted by thegeneral
I just can't comment on any thread that was opened by someone even suggesting a merlot. :p

PS. I was hating on Merlot for a long time before Sideways popularized it.



http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....cgi?u=sideways

meducate Nov 7, 2005 7:31 pm

My two favorites this year were:

1997 Banfi Brunello di Montalcino -- you can't go wrong with almost any '97 Brunello, but this one is outstanding!!! The '99 isn't bad either, but no comparison. Had TWO bottles at the Ritz Carlton Cancun Grill (prior to the hurricane devastation) in June!

2002 Turley Zinfandel -- had some at Aureole in Las Vegas with some colleagues and all I can say is OH MY! It was the spiciest bouquet that I have ever encountered and worth every penny that I overpaid for it!

par Nov 7, 2005 7:39 pm

If you like Turley then you should check out some of the rosenblum zin's.
I'm very partial to several of the rosenblum zin's.

meducate Nov 7, 2005 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by par
If you like Turley then you should check out some of the rosenblum zin's.
I'm very partial to several of the rosenblum zin's.

Got any specific recommendations? I am happy to try them out! ^

par Nov 7, 2005 8:29 pm

Try the rosenblum Annettes vineyard reserve. Bevmo.com has 6 of them in stock at $25.
I bought a case of the anette's and they are really nice (and the price is excellent imho).
http://www.bevmo.com/productinfo.asp...bhcp=1&Ntk=All

I also liked the carla's vineyard (and it's a little less at $19). Really nice zin.

If you get a chance i'd plug the Niebaum-Coppola directors reserve zin. I think it's excellent. In fact i like all red wines from niebaum-coppola's directors reserve and estate lines. The zin is $27 and worth it imho.
http://store.niebaum-coppola.com/

BogeyMan Nov 7, 2005 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by Calcifer
Along the vein of sweet stuff, I've been reading lots of good things about the 2003 Vintage Ports. I'm thinking if I buy some they may be ready to drink when I'm celebrating my retirement.... ;) Any Port drinkers out there with particular recommendations?

Here's a good source for all the info you could ever want on Port. Roy Hersch is the expert. For the 2003, I hope your not retiring for a long time. :)

[URL=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/newsletter.htm]

The 1985 Fonseca and Grahams are approachable now and can be bought for about the same price as current vintages (so you don't have to wait for retirement to enjoy them).

Cheers!

Calcifer Nov 8, 2005 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by BogeyMan
Here's a good source for all the info you could ever want on Port. Roy Hersch is the expert. For the 2003, I hope your not retiring for a long time. :)

[URL=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/newsletter.htm]

The 1985 Fonseca and Grahams are approachable now and can be bought for about the same price as current vintages (so you don't have to wait for retirement to enjoy them).

Cheers!

Thanks for the link, BogeyMan! Sounds like he's pretty excited about the 2003 vintage, too. And that tour he had planned for last month sounds awesome, too.

As I have yet to find a sugar daddy, and I'm about to take on a big fat mortgage, I think it will be a while before I retire.... :eek:

fduvall Nov 8, 2005 3:44 pm

Hardy's is an Australian producer that is selling a 3 liter box of Shiraz. It is drinkable. I won't bring it as a gift to any Christmas parties, but will drink it at home :)

fduvall


Originally Posted by brentley
No offense taken, as a born and raised wine snob I know exactly what you mean, but beg to differ with you on people in wine shops and tasting rooms being accessable. Having shopped for wine all over the country I can tell you that it is rare to find people that look down on beginners.

In Napa Valley you will find a lot of wineries that offer specific tours and tastings designed to attract more people to wine (usually their wine). There are also a lot of places that most standard issue tourists cannot get into, but for the most part these folks are interested in paying the super big bucks for the trophy wines anyway.

I will give that box wine a shot (if for no other reason than the cooking tip).

regards
Brentley


stimpy Nov 10, 2005 3:14 pm

Coteaux Du Languedoc
 
http://www.coteaux-languedoc.com/

I dined at Le Verjus in Toulouse and had an very good '98 Domaine De L'Hortus. Great unknown wines in this region of France.

bpratt Nov 11, 2005 11:37 am


Originally Posted by meducate
My two favorites this year were:

...
2002 Turley Zinfandel -- had some at Aureole in Las Vegas with some colleagues and all I can say is OH MY! It was the spiciest bouquet that I have ever encountered and worth every penny that I overpaid for it!

Turley's Zins are very good, and quite reasonable if you can find them at retail (I paid $380 for a mixed case of 2002 Turley Zins). They also do a very good Charbono and one unusual white (called Turley White Coat, naturally).

Its not easy to find Turley in the store, but at least in the SF Bay Area there are a couple of places that get an allocation every year, so its worth hunting for.

Bob

Paula_Miller Nov 11, 2005 1:22 pm

Forgive me if I'm out of line, but I can't resist the opportunity to plug my own product: www.starrynightwinery.com.

We are a small, sub-6000 case production house focused primarily on Zinfandels from the Sonoma, Russian River, Lake County and Lodi appellations (although we also make a Chardonnay, a Syrah and a Rhone blend).

Based in CA with distribution in 19 other states. Look for us at your favorite wine shop or restaurant!

slawecki Nov 12, 2005 7:24 am


Originally Posted by Calcifer
Along the vein of sweet stuff, I've been reading lots of good things about the 2003 Vintage Ports. I'm thinking if I buy some they may be ready to drink when I'm celebrating my retirement.... ;) Any Port drinkers out there with particular recommendations?

And finally, does anyone have any particular recommendations for under-the-counter wine cooler/refrigerators? I may be gut-renovating a kitchen in the nearish future, and I figure if I'm going to go through the hassle I at least want a wine fridge (given that I'm in NYC, I'm hesitant to buy anything larger, although the price differential doesn't seem that great).


Most great Port ports take 20-30 years to come around. but there are exceptions. S&W '95 Madalena (single vineyard) vintage port is quite ready now, and very fine. It is usually made in "non-declared" years. They did an '01 that will probably also be ready in 10-15 years.

OZ port is ready at a very young age, by comparison. Many 10 year old OZ ports are ready now, and very good.

If you are doing the under-counter thing. I presume you are doing it to chill and keep cold, rather than to store for long periods. Go buy a good looking inexpensive fridge with glass door from a discounter. I have a Hejer HEC from Sam's club. Has all the bells and whistles. Glass door, darkened glass, lock, red/white wine storage choice. Temp adjustment, etc, etc. I keep it on white wine setting. It will only adjust to 45f. However, 45F is about 40 at the top, and 35 at the bottom. Every time we get a power hit, it reverts to red wine and about 55F. setting. Stores 30 bottles, plenty to keep the party goers out of my celler.

stimpy Nov 12, 2005 8:30 am

Just finished a 1981 Chateau Romer du Hayot Sauternes.

Heaven.

cordelli Nov 14, 2005 8:32 pm

Not to hijack the thread by any means at all, but Home Deopt has the Magic Chef wine coolers in stock again.

Holds 50 bottles, in our local store they are $102 or something. An incredible deal. I bought three last year, they have not given me any problems at all, picked up another one yesterday.

$2 a bottle storage for temperature control is very hard to beat, and I understand lots of people get them for cigars too. They come and go fast, last year we had to go to several to get them all.

Until we build the center, they keep our collection at a nicely constant temperature and humidity.

Calcifer Nov 15, 2005 7:01 am


Originally Posted by cordelli
Not to hijack the thread by any means at all, but Home Deopt has the Magic Chef wine coolers in stock again.

Holds 50 bottles, in our local store they are $102 or something. An incredible deal. I bought three last year, they have not given me any problems at all, picked up another one yesterday.

$2 a bottle storage for temperature control is very hard to beat, and I understand lots of people get them for cigars too. They come and go fast, last year we had to go to several to get them all.

Until we build the center, they keep our collection at a nicely constant temperature and humidity.

Thanks for the heads up, cordelli! I don't see a 50 bottle Magic Chef on their website, but perhaps this will be my excuse to go check out their newish Manhattan store.

Last night's wine class was fortified wines, so the tasting was 3 sherries (a manzanilla, an oloroso, and a PX), 2 ports (one 10-yr. tawny and one vintage), and a Madeira. Just the smell coming off the six glasses was overwhelming, and I actually like the stuff!

sandyweb33 Nov 15, 2005 7:14 am


Originally Posted by DallasBill
While not generally served in restaurants, I beg to differ.

Everything has its place. No direct offense, but that statement is indicative of an attitude that's prevailed and it's made wine inaccessible to more people. It has made them afraid to ask questions to learn more and to "move up" to other types, so to speak. You still get that attitude in many wine stores today.

For example, Target's Wine Cube... the Chard and the Cab-Shiraz blend, make fine sipping wines for large gatherings, such as Summer party BBQs. They have done a fine job on the packaging too. We have had many positive comments on them at summer patio parties.

Having one in the pantry also means that one has a ready supply to use in their favorite dish. ^

Was reading a few yrs ago that since there was an over abundance of grapes the box wines were making a revival. The wineries were using the extra grapes and blending 3-4 varietals. Article talked about a "Black Box" wine that was good. I looked but never did find it! Maybe someone knows about it? :confused:

SB Neal Nov 23, 2005 9:27 am

Thanks for the info about Magic Chef. I saw it at Home Depot and was surprised at the price. Shame we don't need a cooler for our fine Santa Barbara syrah's and pinot's. Try Flying Goat pinot. It's tremendous.

SB Neal Nov 23, 2005 9:29 am

Regarding "box" wines, the Aussie's are doing a great job. Surprisingly good quality, and great price.

muskoka Nov 25, 2005 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by number_6
In the US most box wines are truly dreadful. In other countries there are some excellent box wines. The closest is in Canada, for example Ontario has some great red box wines. Try Peller Estates French Cross (it would go for 5x the price in the US and is a great example of the combination of vinification technique and new hybrid grape varieties).

For "regular" wine, my current favourite for price/performance is Ch. Potensac (owned by Leoville-las Cases). Drinkable young (ie. at 5 years) but great at 20 (if you can cellar it that long).

Never mind Canadian boxed wines, what about our excellent regular wines!! Beacuse of the favorable exchange rate , Canadian wines are not only world class, but Very reasonably priced! Its too bad you can't find them on the shelf anywhere in a mainstream outlet in the U.S.. Give one of the Niagara or Okanagan, B.C. Chards or Rieslings a try- you'll find them every bit as good as California or Washington state whites. the only Canadian red I would recommend wouyld be a Pinot Noir. Our climate unfortunately doesnt lend itself to reds very well.
Also try our Niagara icewines- World class, and affordable in U.S. $$!

Bob

Calcifer Jan 1, 2006 9:55 am

Time for a New Year's bump
 
What didn't I drink last night? :o

Fortunately my friends are insane enough to print out menus for their dinner parties--believe me, I wouldn't remember.

1990 Dom Perignon
2003 Chateau St. Jean Estate Viognier
a Kim Crawford Sauvignon Blanc that didn't make it on the menu (I think this one is a great value, although not for the screwcap-phobic)
1994 Etude Cabernet Sauvignon
1994 Beringer Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
1990 Beringer Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon (this was pretty wonderful, and it was great to be able to compare it to the 1994)
1977 Graham Port

accompanied by a fabulous meal that didn't finish until 2:30am, followed by copious amounts of water and Ranitidine on my return home. :cool:

monitor Jan 1, 2006 6:18 pm

As I am a relative newcomer to South Palm Beach County, I did not know where to find all of our regular stuff but my neighbor helped supply some really top shelf wines:

1 - Dom Perignon '85
2 - Dom '88
3 - Perrier-Jouet NV
4 - Roederer Cristal (and I failed to take note of the vintage)
5 - and to close off the night, a Cabernet Sauvignon from Coppola which, at 3AM, tasted rich and sweet after all the bubbly.

I will now go firmly on record that Champagne is the beverage of choice with blue cheese chicken wings and smoked salmon hors d'oeuvres, which was all that I ate before the sweets at the end of the party.

slawecki Jan 2, 2006 5:45 am

south fl store:

Crown (liquor, wine & spirits, etc) in boynton, delray, and palm have a decent collection of current vintages. They also have fantastic tastings.

retrav1K Jan 2, 2006 6:19 am

Chile
 
My biggest find of 2005 was great Chilean wines... from some fine Carmeners to Merlots, Cabenets and a few wonderful Syrah's.

I sampled several vinatges of Almaviva (all wonderful); Casa Lapostolle (superb); Sena (a 97); Dominus Aurea (01) -- all good super-premiums

Concha y Toro's broad range is suprising.. from the great Don Melchor (CS); the Terrunyo range; Marques CS -- below that --> the mid to low end I'll pass on

My pick of the year for a Winery has to be MONTES. If you find Montes Folly (Syrah) or Purple Angel (Carmenere) DO NOT hesitate to buy it - what great wines !! Alpha M is good.... but the mid-rabge Alpha CS, Merlot and Syrahs are GREAT value for money

monitor Jan 2, 2006 7:31 am


Originally Posted by slawecki
south fl store:

Crown (liquor, wine & spirits, etc) in boynton, delray, and palm have a decent collection of current vintages. They also have fantastic tastings.

Crown on N Fed in Boca is right around the corner from us and was the first place that I tried. Not a really wide selection there but I sure will now keep an eye out for their tastings. Thanks for the headsup.

tdo-ca Jan 5, 2006 4:15 pm


Originally Posted by retrav1K
I sampled several vinatges of Almaviva (all wonderful); Casa Lapostolle (superb); Sena (a 97); Dominus Aurea (01) -- all good super-premiums

I've had better luck with Casa Lapostolle (Clos Apalta) than Sena, which I have found to be "green/grassy"

diving4gold Jan 5, 2006 4:32 pm

Wines
 
Rombauer Chardonnay :)

stemor Jan 11, 2006 7:38 pm

Since the New Year we've been in inventory depletion mode, to make room for new purchases. So, here's what we've been opening at home:

1996 Henriot Millesime Champagne,
NV Duval-Leroy Rose Champagne,
2000 Kistler Vine Hill Chardonnay (to celebrate buying the '03's this week),
2003 Hansel "Cahill Lane" Chardonnay,
1975 Loosen Urziger Wurzgarten Spatelese Riesling ( :cool: )
1999 Sportoletti Rosso
2000 Quilceda Creek Cabernet (again, to celebrate a new vintage being released),
1999 d'Arenberg "Dead Arm" Shiraz,
1995 Hess Collection Cab,
1996 Hess Collection Cab (bleh),
NV Bullers Muscat (dessert wine), and
NV Chambers Tokay (dessert wine)


In case you're wondering, I like raiding the wine cellar. ;)

mjm Jan 11, 2006 7:45 pm

Doing a little dinner with a few friends at a rsaturant in town where the chef who is a frind also cooks a special menu for the list I send. Do these about 4 times a year. The list this time is:

Caymus Conundrum 2003
Seresin Sauvignon Blanc 2004
Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon 2000
Beaulieu Vineyard Reserve Tapestry 1996
Cain Concept 2002

Ain't wine a grand invention? :)

Mike

dhammer53 Jan 11, 2006 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by mjm

Ain't wine a grand invention? :)

Besides mileage runs, good wine is one of the small pleasures of life.
So are friends. :cool:

mjm Jan 11, 2006 8:52 pm

Wondered if you would see this thread. :)




Originally Posted by dhammer53
Besides mileage runs, good wine is one of the small pleasures of life.
So are friends. :cool:


gutt22 Jan 17, 2006 8:55 am

Best wine I had in a restaurant in 2005, which was just before the new year ... 1990 Banfi Brunello di Montalcino at the Osteria via Stato in Chicago. Delicious -- and my first Brunello experience. A very happy one.

tdo-ca Jan 17, 2006 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by gutt22
Best wine I had in a restaurant in 2005, which was just before the new year ... 1990 Banfi Brunello di Montalcino at the Osteria via Stato in Chicago. Delicious -- and my first Brunello experience. A very happy one.

A good wine at a good restaurant! And nice to have a Brunello with some years on it, huh?

firephoenix Jan 17, 2006 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by monitor
5 - and to close off the night, a Cabernet Sauvignon from Coppola which, at 3AM, tasted rich and sweet after all the bubbly.

In my opinion- all of Coppola's wines are outstanding. On that note- I don't know if the winery is producing this blend anymore- but if you can get your hands on a bottle of Coppola's "Claret"- any vintage- don't pass on it. It's a treat- like layered silk.

Another treasure off the beaten path- a rich Italian red- Cignale 98' Castello di Quercieto. It's phenomenal.

entropy Jan 17, 2006 8:25 pm

I recently returned from Israel with a case of different wines:
Flam Classico 2002
Amphorae Rhyton Red 2003
The Cave 2002
Petit Castel 2002
Domaine du Castel 2001
I think they are great, and more importantly, a great value. They are pretty rich, and especially the Flam and Castel are very Bordeaux-like. I'm a big fan of the boutique Israeli wines, the larger production ones aren't so great, but these are!

I'm not sure where to find them around here, but if you're in Israel you should certainly pick up a couple!

firephoenix Jan 17, 2006 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by entropy
I recently returned from Israel with a case of different wines:
Flam Classico 2002
Amphorae Rhyton Red 2003
The Cave 2002
Petit Castel 2002
Domaine du Castel 2001
I think they are great, and more importantly, a great value. They are pretty rich, and especially the Flam and Castel are very Bordeaux-like. I'm a big fan of the boutique Israeli wines, the larger production ones aren't so great, but these are!

I'm not sure where to find them around here, but if you're in Israel you should certainly pick up a couple!

Speaking of middle eastern wines- ever tried Chateau Musar? Its a big Lebanese red wine. Some vintage years are better than others-but I have found it comparable to some of the best French Rhone wines I have ever had. If you can find it- I highly recommend trying it.

I am not familiar with the Israeli wines you brought back- but I will look for them- and will certainly try one if I can!!!!

entropy Jan 18, 2006 11:36 pm


Chateau Musar
Nope, is it possible to find on the west coast? if so, or if there is a web place to get it, I'd be interested in trying it. The climate is probably similar to the Golan wines and the French influence would probably be good. (and which vintages are the best?)

As far as I can tell, and i'm not an expert, but the Israeli wines I listed are all <$30 and are damn good. Because they are not "well known" in the west, they don't vastly overcharge for the location like most of the california ones, so the price/performance ratio tends to be much much better!

Calcifer Jan 19, 2006 9:32 am


Originally Posted by entropy
Nope, is it possible to find on the west coast? if so, or if there is a web place to get it, I'd be interested in trying it. The climate is probably similar to the Golan wines and the French influence would probably be good. (and which vintages are the best?)

As far as I can tell, and i'm not an expert, but the Israeli wines I listed are all <$30 and are damn good. Because they are not "well known" in the west, they don't vastly overcharge for the location like most of the california ones, so the price/performance ratio tends to be much much better!

Try using www.wine-searcher.com . It depends on the underlying stores having accurate inventory systems, which they don't always, but searching for "musar" in California shows a few places in the San Francisco area that have it. I tried it in a wine class and didn't love it (particularly for the price, it's not inexpensive), but some of my classmates did.

gutt22 Jan 19, 2006 10:53 am


Originally Posted by tdo-ca
A good wine at a good restaurant! And nice to have a Brunello with some years on it, huh?

So nice to find a wine with real age on it -- I hate going into places and not being able to find anything but current vintages or anything prior to, say, 1999. Of course, the 1997s were completely gone ... but they wouldn't be ready anyway.

And I definitely have to give Osteria via Stato a BIG ^ ^ for being just a top-quality place. It's a new favorite.

stimpy Jan 19, 2006 10:58 am

I had an '82 Sauternes about a month ago. Of course it was from my cave. If it was in a restaurant I would have had to take out a loan to buy it.

stimpy Jan 19, 2006 2:08 pm

And right now a '53 Armangnac, bought relatively cheap at an auction.


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