Consolidated "Michelin Restaurants" thread
#1112
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NYC (Primarily EWR)
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Went to Eleven Madison Park for my birthday dinner last night. Perhaps it's just me, but I feel like nearly every high-end restaurant I go to gets worse the next time I visit. There are only 2 restaurants with Michelin stars that have continued to wow me on follow-on visits: Gramercy Tavern and Contra (both in NYC). EMP has basically turned into a generic high-end French restaurant now. When I went 6+ years ago, virtually every dish served was an homage to New York City, and while it wasn't the best food outright I had eaten, it was a much more memorable experience. There was one standout dish - sturgeon caviar served in an EMP-logo'ed tin with a pickled quail egg and hollandaise. The rest, to be honest - delicious but not 'The World's Best'. I'd argue that my meal at Le Bernardin a couple months prior was arguably more memorable.
My personal 'Best in the World' remains Hertog Jan outside of Bruges, Belgium - still not even a contest.
My personal 'Best in the World' remains Hertog Jan outside of Bruges, Belgium - still not even a contest.
#1113
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the air
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I went to Rustic Table in Dublin last night, a Michelin listed (not *'d) restaurant run by one of the judges of Ireland Masterchef. It's a really interesting concept which combined a steakhouse and modern Michelin type cooking with health food (and - generally - successfully). The food tasted as good as I'd expect, but what was interesting was that I was able to design a meal which was as protein focused as if I were in a gym's canteen. I'd love to see more fine dining go this way. In the meantime on Friday I'm going to the 3* Le Cinq on Friday, which I very much doubt will be as good for my waistline.
#1114
Join Date: Jul 2015
Programs: UA Platinum, Starbucks Gold
Posts: 873
Disappointing to hear reports of EMP slipping! I still do want to give them another go this summer.
I'm glad I went to Momofuku Ko when I did last month. They have now raised prices from 195 exclusive of tax or service to 255, service included. Beverage pairing is up from 175 to 195, and does not include service. I was told they are also working on a non-alcoholic pairing a la Atera.
Speaking of Hertog Jan, it is closing permanently this year. I was considering going but am instead spending 10 days in the south of France next month. I've got bookings at Takao Takano (2*) in Lyon, Maison Pic (3*) in Valence, and Alain Ducasse Le Louis XV (3*) in Monaco. Has anyone here done Alain Ducasse in Monaco? Is it worth it to do the tasting menu for 360 Euro as opposed to the 4 course lunch for 165 Euro?
I'm glad I went to Momofuku Ko when I did last month. They have now raised prices from 195 exclusive of tax or service to 255, service included. Beverage pairing is up from 175 to 195, and does not include service. I was told they are also working on a non-alcoholic pairing a la Atera.
Speaking of Hertog Jan, it is closing permanently this year. I was considering going but am instead spending 10 days in the south of France next month. I've got bookings at Takao Takano (2*) in Lyon, Maison Pic (3*) in Valence, and Alain Ducasse Le Louis XV (3*) in Monaco. Has anyone here done Alain Ducasse in Monaco? Is it worth it to do the tasting menu for 360 Euro as opposed to the 4 course lunch for 165 Euro?
#1115
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,438
I hope you refreshed your ability to just enjoy your meals!
While I've never stopped completely, a couple years ago I decided to slow it down and now only go to a few top tier restaurants per year. It makes it more of a special event. But I'm lucky to live in Chicago, where we have a lot of excellent restaurants at all levels. It hasn't hurt my wallet either .
While I've never stopped completely, a couple years ago I decided to slow it down and now only go to a few top tier restaurants per year. It makes it more of a special event. But I'm lucky to live in Chicago, where we have a lot of excellent restaurants at all levels. It hasn't hurt my wallet either .
#1116
Disappointing to hear reports of EMP slipping! I still do want to give them another go this summer.
I'm glad I went to Momofuku Ko when I did last month. They have now raised prices from 195 exclusive of tax or service to 255, service included. Beverage pairing is up from 175 to 195, and does not include service. I was told they are also working on a non-alcoholic pairing a la Atera.
Speaking of Hertog Jan, it is closing permanently this year. I was considering going but am instead spending 10 days in the south of France next month. I've got bookings at Takao Takano (2*) in Lyon, Maison Pic (3*) in Valence, and Alain Ducasse Le Louis XV (3*) in Monaco. Has anyone here done Alain Ducasse in Monaco? Is it worth it to do the tasting menu for 360 Euro as opposed to the 4 course lunch for 165 Euro?
I'm glad I went to Momofuku Ko when I did last month. They have now raised prices from 195 exclusive of tax or service to 255, service included. Beverage pairing is up from 175 to 195, and does not include service. I was told they are also working on a non-alcoholic pairing a la Atera.
Speaking of Hertog Jan, it is closing permanently this year. I was considering going but am instead spending 10 days in the south of France next month. I've got bookings at Takao Takano (2*) in Lyon, Maison Pic (3*) in Valence, and Alain Ducasse Le Louis XV (3*) in Monaco. Has anyone here done Alain Ducasse in Monaco? Is it worth it to do the tasting menu for 360 Euro as opposed to the 4 course lunch for 165 Euro?
Really solid cooking and service. Plus an absolutely beautiful dining room.
#1117
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the air
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Not exactly on topic, but I thought the lunch option at Joel Robuchon was the only good value thing I found in Monaco. It's not one of his Ateliers either - it's a proper restaurant, although for some reason never got the 3* that (almost?) all his others have.
#1118
Join Date: Feb 2018
Programs: AC
Posts: 106
Went to Eleven Madison Park for my birthday dinner last night. Perhaps it's just me, but I feel like nearly every high-end restaurant I go to gets worse the next time I visit. There are only 2 restaurants with Michelin stars that have continued to wow me on follow-on visits: Gramercy Tavern and Contra (both in NYC). EMP has basically turned into a generic high-end French restaurant now. When I went 6+ years ago, virtually every dish served was an homage to New York City, and while it wasn't the best food outright I had eaten, it was a much more memorable experience. There was one standout dish - sturgeon caviar served in an EMP-logo'ed tin with a pickled quail egg and hollandaise. The rest, to be honest - delicious but not 'The World's Best'. I'd argue that my meal at Le Bernardin a couple months prior was arguably more memorable.
My personal 'Best in the World' remains Hertog Jan outside of Bruges, Belgium - still not even a contest.
My personal 'Best in the World' remains Hertog Jan outside of Bruges, Belgium - still not even a contest.
I also went to Le Bernardin on the same trip, and had a much more memorable time as well - I thought EMP had the more creative dishes, while LB had the better tasting/executed dishes.
Really not sure if I just had too high of an expectation for EMP and a lower one for LB, but I'm reluctant to give it another try given its price tag, despite feeling like they deserve a second chance.
#1119
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NYC (Primarily EWR)
Programs: UA 1K / *G, Marriott Bonvoy Gold; Avis PC
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Not a repeat customer, but glad I wasn't the only one that wasn't blown away by EMP. I also had that caviar and hollandaise sauce dish, which I agree was one of the only standouts along with the famous duck, but everything else was simply good, and not great. Definitely expected more from the "best restaurant in the world". The pacing was also weird...the first few courses were served at a pretty normal pace, but the last few took 30 - 45 minutes between courses.
I also went to Le Bernardin on the same trip, and had a much more memorable time as well - I thought EMP had the more creative dishes, while LB had the better tasting/executed dishes.
Really not sure if I just had too high of an expectation for EMP and a lower one for LB, but I'm reluctant to give it another try given its price tag, despite feeling like they deserve a second chance.
I also went to Le Bernardin on the same trip, and had a much more memorable time as well - I thought EMP had the more creative dishes, while LB had the better tasting/executed dishes.
Really not sure if I just had too high of an expectation for EMP and a lower one for LB, but I'm reluctant to give it another try given its price tag, despite feeling like they deserve a second chance.
Next Michelin-starred experience is TBD...might end up being in D.C. when I pop in for the Cherry Blossom run in early April. My wife does want to go back to Cote, even though I wasn't the biggest fan of the value proposition the first time around.
#1120
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
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Personally I think Nakazawa is way better than Shuko. My meal at Shuko was one of the worst "high end" Japanese meals I've had. I got the "kaiseki" set, which first of all is not kaiseki at all. Every cooked dish was over sauced, oily and salty; I couldn't finish half of them. The sushi courses were mediocre, some fish slices were ice cold. Maybe it was an off night, but I did not enjoy Shuko at all.
Glad to hear a positive report on Nakazawa. Just booked for our March trip. Our friends recommended it, but it seems to get mixed reviews here.
#1121
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
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@offerendum I would hurt my eyes even in attempting to purchase those, I think. I do have friends who would be interested, though...
I find my choice to simply avoid any jacket requirement restaurants (or those that will not waive the requirement for me when I kindly ask) to be far easier on me...and the eyes.
I find my choice to simply avoid any jacket requirement restaurants (or those that will not waive the requirement for me when I kindly ask) to be far easier on me...and the eyes.
#1122
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Southern California, USA
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Understood. But if they make me wear a jacket to walk in and not wear it for dinner, the jacket requirement is even more laughable. I might suffer one of those restaurants eventually, but given the choice between another great restaurant without a stupid jacket requirement and one that makes me wear one at all, I’ll almost always take the former and much less pretentious option.
#1123
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NYC (Primarily EWR)
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It's overrated. The sole time I sat at the sushi counter, I got food poisoning. The dining room sushi is alright but definitely not the same as being at the counter. The tamago is the only thing that stands out to me; otherwise, I have had better elsewhere. There's a reason it hasn't gotten a Michelin star yet...
#1124
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: here and there
Programs: some
Posts: 3,381
It was a great meal
#1125
Did Louis XV last year, here my review: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28468910-post722.html