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YVR Cockroach May 20, 2026 9:13 am


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 37749883)
Cecilia Chiang and Sylvia Wu would like to have a word with you. ;)

Have to admit I have no idea who they are, or have ever heard of them. But then again, from a person who hadn't even heard of a leading music artist at the peak of his career (and the peak of the genre's era) until he suddenly passed.

FWIW, the dim sum experience was o.k. Just wish I had the $25-off-$100 coupon (which they foisted on me).

TWA884 May 20, 2026 9:55 am


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 37760875)
Have to admit I have no idea who they are, or have ever heard of them.

Cecilia Chiang, Who Revolutionized American Chinese Food, Dies At 100

Chiang had to flee her home a second time when the Communists took over. She wound up in the U.S., where she was both shocked and amused by the food most Americans considered to be Chinese — like gloppy chop suey. "They think chop suey is the only thing we have in China," she said with a laugh. "What a shame."

So Chiang resolved to open a high-end Chinese restaurant that served authentic fare. "Everybody said, 'You cannot make it. You cannot speak English. You don't know anything,' " she recalled. But starting in 1961, tourists, dignitaries and celebrities — from Mae West to John Lennon — flocked to The Mandarin for then-unfamiliar food like tea-smoked duck and twice-cooked pork.

To this day, Cecelia Chiang's DNA can be found all over American Chinese food.
Madame Wu’s Chinese Food Was Glamorous and Transformative

At Madame Wu’s Garden, which she opened in 1959 and ran for nearly 40 years, her menus were constantly evolving, but peppered with regional deep cuts and then-hard-to-find dishes. To diners who’d never had Peking duck, the restaurant represented an imagined ideal of tradition and authenticity, but that image obscured her more complex work: Ms. Wu’s approach as a restaurateur was kinetic, profound and always strategic.
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Her regulars included Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow, Elizabeth Taylor, Robert Redford and Cary Grant. When Mr. Grant asked her for a “Chinese chicken salad” one night, she made a dish of fried won ton skins, rice noodles and shredded chicken, packed with scallions and dressed in mustard, soy sauce and sesame oil, loosely based on a banquet dish she remembered eating as a child.

It was so popular, she added it to the menu, published the recipe in local newspapers and included it in her first cookbook. Ms. Wu helped write the blueprint for American Chinese chicken salad as we know it, more than a decade before Wolfgang Puck put his own version on the menu at Chinois, his French-Chinese restaurant still open in Santa Monica.
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It was modest at first, with very little décor and no liquor license. But after a few years, she expanded Madame Wu’s Garden into a 11,000-square-foot space on Wilshire Boulevard that could seat 300 people. She made it dazzle with pagoda-style architectural details, stone waterfalls, imported art and a sculpture on the ceiling that rippled with gold. The aesthetic was quickly imitated, and co-opted by white restaurateurs.

YVR Cockroach May 20, 2026 6:50 pm

Thanks for the information. As someone who dines in Cantonese restaurants catering to a Chinese if not primarily Cantonese crowd (judging by the language used), I haven't run across such establishments and cannot say I've ever dined in any kind of Chinese restaurant in the U.S. (perhaps with the exception of a sort-er one in a Hyatt in Tahoe). I do have an acquaintance whose father started and operated several restaurants in the Boston area and wonder if his establishments had this sort of atmosphere.

gaobest May 21, 2026 2:23 pm

I too don’t know Madame Wu restaurant. I’ve been to the Chinese restaurant by that special Hollywood theatre. 1995 wedding rehearsal supper. Also got to see a mystery event in an adjacent room.

Eastbay1K May 21, 2026 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 37760953)

To this day, Cecelia Chiang's DNA can be found all over American Chinese food.

Quite literally, as her son, Philip, is a founder of P.F. Chang's!

BamaVol May 21, 2026 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 37762805)
Also got to see a mystery event in an adjacent room.

please tell us more.

YVR Cockroach May 22, 2026 9:11 am

Post dim sum analysis was that there was too much pork (in everything except the taro puffs and the osmanthus jelly, but maybe there was pork byproducts in those too), and every thing seemed the same (doesn't help that I tend to order the same stuff).

Did also see this observation re: restaurant quality on Chinese social media (the one I went to had a rating of 4.0 which means it wasn't good by that measure).

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0a394daa17.png

HawaiiO May 28, 2026 11:48 pm

Some of the best dimsum i ever had was in Seattle at Jade Garden
Even better than dimsum in HK and Singapore
Not catered to western tastes too

There were more ingredients and they blend better.
Miss their food!

chongshipei May 31, 2026 12:01 pm

Thanks for informing. Where is Jade Garden in Seattle located?

SPN Lifer May 31, 2026 3:04 pm

A quick search on DuckDuckGo or Google gives the answer. :)

https://jadegardenseattle.com/map

StuckInYYZ May 31, 2026 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 37763833)
Post dim sum analysis was that there was too much pork (in everything except the taro puffs and the osmanthus jelly, but maybe there was pork byproducts in those too), and every thing seemed the same (doesn't help that I tend to order the same stuff).

The thing is, most dim sum must be eaten piping hot. Once it is allowed to cool down, the flavours start going awry. There are also a number of other quirks with dim sum that most people don't know. Sure, you could have too much pork in a dish (depending on what it is), but usually it's a temperature/timing thing.


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