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exerda Aug 3, 2020 7:50 pm

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Went straight-up follow-the-recipe for this one. It's an almond, coconut, and blueberry cake from Ottolenghi's Sweet cookbook of desserts. I love almost any Ottolenghi recipe, as they tend to be easy to follow and yield great results every time.

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teddybear99 Aug 3, 2020 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32579367)
I’m very simple and am very crushed to respectfully not refer to a special person as a name I shan’t say. Sigh.

Thank you for respecting my wishes.

I prefer to have my burger with only two different ways of toppings:
Only ketchup, mayo, lettuce, and tomato with no bun or cheese
Sautéed mushrooms and swiss cheese only
I also prefer to have them cook rare and I know about possible food poisoning can result from this. I do get an upset stomach once in a while, but very rarely (pun intended ;))

gaobest Aug 3, 2020 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by teddybear99 (Post 32579616)
Thank you for respecting my wishes.

I prefer to have my burger with only two different ways of toppings:
Only ketchup, mayo, lettuce, and tomato with no bun or cheese
Sautéed mushrooms and swiss cheese only
I also prefer to have them cook rare and I know about possible food poisoning can result from this. I do get an upset stomach once in a while, but very rarely (pun intended ;))

lol
there is definitely something to say about a burger without cheese.

my last restaurant burger was the Burger at Zuni in SF where cheese is optional. They only serve the burger for luncheon, decorated, and I chose to not add cheese.

MSYtoJFKagain Aug 4, 2020 6:14 am

I've had most if not all of the fancy burgers in NYC at this point. I'd say I enjoyed about a quarter of them and actively disliked the majority.

Here's my very subjective and terrible take on burgers:

No brioche. I don't want cake bread to distract from the patty and make the burger impossible to eat. Sesame seed bun or martin's potato roll. English muffins also accepted.
American cheese, possibly cheddar. Cheddar usually doesn't melt right and other cheeses have no business being there.
Meat, beef 80/20. No thick 8oz patties either. This isn't a hamburg steak, it's a burger. 6 oz or less, preferably 2 smaller patties.
Toppings: This is a contentious point. I think the trend of expensive and over the top additions needs to stop. If you have good beef, there's no reason you need anything except maybe a pickle slice or two and possibly a slice of tomato or some onions. Condiments can be whatever you want but again, why are you trying to overdo it?

One of the most egregious offenders to me was the "new and improved" Chumley's in NYC. I frequented the original and they had a simple and amazing burger on an english muffin.
Here's the description from a review of their new house burger:
"Only the burger is draped in a rich, fatty layer of bone marrow, fried onions, crisp shallots, American cheese, and a tangy, spicy barbecue sauce made with mango, coffee, and jalapeño."

Horrendous. I braved the bougie reincarnation once and went this was plopped in front of me, a little bit of my youth died. Thankfully, that place is now gone forever and I can go back to remembering the original fondly.

Back to the topic, I find that In n Out, Shake Shack, and a handful of other fast casual places have realized and capitalized on the fact that simple burgers work.

When I'm making burgers, I smash them. I have my 15" cast iron on the grill or my solo propane jet burner and I'll smash 3oz patties. 60 second, flip, American cheese, 20 seconds and it is done. On a Martin's potato roll with 2 slices of pickle and no toppings. There is no equal!

JBord Aug 4, 2020 6:18 am


Originally Posted by teddybear99 (Post 32579131)
It also depends on the blend of the meat you are using as the more fat in it, the better the taste. I also only use salt and pepper in a 2:1 blend (I have a shaker that I premix in) on a 80/20 blend of ground beef while grilling (actually use a George Forman grill) and the flavor is great.

No question. A burger should be made with either 75 or 80% beef. Anything higher doesn't work unless you eat it rare. Additionally, for both safety and taste, a burger should be cooked to medium.

FlyingJoy Aug 4, 2020 9:16 am


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 32579579)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1e3faadc41.jpg

Went straight-up follow-the-recipe for this one. It's an almond, coconut, and blueberry cake from Ottolenghi's Sweet cookbook of desserts. I love almost any Ottolenghi recipe, as they tend to be easy to follow and yield great results every time.

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Looks amazing! Blueberries and coconut are a match made in heaven. I think I might have to add this book to my (rapidly expanding :D) collection. I am also keen on his Plenty and Plenty More books (as I am vegetarian).

gaobest Aug 4, 2020 10:29 am


Originally Posted by MSYtoJFKagain (Post 32580372)
...

When I'm making burgers, I smash them. I have my 15" cast iron on the grill or my solo propane jet burner and I'll smash 3oz patties. 60 second, flip, American cheese, 20 seconds and it is done. On a Martin's potato roll with 2 slices of pickle and no toppings. There is no equal!

in 60+20 seconds, is it rare or under medium rare? I find that 4-Oz needs a few minutes just to be medium rare, even when rested.

MSYtoJFKagain Aug 4, 2020 10:48 am


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 32580909)
in 60+20 seconds, is it rare or under medium rare? I find that 4-Oz needs a few minutes just to be medium rare, even when rested.

They are smashed almost completely flat, that timing gives me fully cooked burgers. I don't worry about cook temp for this style. They don't need to be rested either. Smash, flip, cheese, done. I can rattle off a whole party's worth of burgers in about 15 minutes. Two 3 oz patties per burger and you can fit 4 at a time on the big cast iron. My propane jet burner keeps the cast iron incredibly hot so the meat crisps beautifully.

JBord Aug 4, 2020 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by MSYtoJFKagain (Post 32580372)

Here's my very subjective and terrible take on burgers:

No brioche. I don't want cake bread to distract from the patty and make the burger impossible to eat. Sesame seed bun or martin's potato roll. English muffins also accepted.
American cheese, possibly cheddar. Cheddar usually doesn't melt right and other cheeses have no business being there.
Meat, beef 80/20. No thick 8oz patties either. This isn't a hamburg steak, it's a burger. 6 oz or less, preferably 2 smaller patties.
Toppings: This is a contentious point. I think the trend of expensive and over the top additions needs to stop. If you have good beef, there's no reason you need anything except maybe a pickle slice or two and possibly a slice of tomato or some onions. Condiments can be whatever you want but again, why are you trying to overdo it?

First, I agree that certain foods should have rules. Such as NO KETCHUP on a hot dog...ever! Goes for most other sausages too. I was painfully silent last week when I watched a friend eat nothing on his brat except ketchup. No mustard, onion, or sauerkraut. And he's an adult who knows better.

With that out of the way, I think you're a little too strict on some of the rules. Here's where I'd differ:
- There are other good buns, like a kaiser, or a midwestern "hard roll".
- Any cheese that can be sliced without crumbling is acceptable, including bleu cheese but not the crumbly kind. Honestly, you're just missing out by not trying some of the others. Cool to have a favorite but so many cheeses pair wonderfully with beef.
- Toppings/Condiments: lettuce is fine. Ketchup and/or mustard fine. "Burger sauce", usually some variation of Thousand Island dressing, is ok too, but then that's the only sauce you get.

rickg523 Aug 4, 2020 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by JBord (Post 32581700)
First, I agree that certain foods should have rules. Such as NO KETCHUP on a hot dog...ever! Goes for most other sausages too. I was painfully silent last week when I watched a friend eat nothing on his brat except ketchup. No mustard, onion, or sauerkraut. And he's an adult who knows better.

With that out of the way, I think you're a little too strict on some of the rules. Here's where I'd differ:
- There are other good buns, like a kaiser, or a midwestern "hard roll".
- Any cheese that can be sliced without crumbling is acceptable, including bleu cheese but not the crumbly kind. Honestly, you're just missing out by not trying some of the others. Cool to have a favorite but so many cheeses pair wonderfully with beef.
- Toppings/Condiments: lettuce is fine. Ketchup and/or mustard fine. "Burger sauce", usually some variation of Thousand Island dressing, is ok too, but then that's the only sauce you get.

​​​​​​But Patty Melts - burger, American or Cheddar, and carmelized onions grilled on Rye - are gooood.
Are Patty Melts burgers?

gaobest Aug 4, 2020 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 32581712)
​​​​​​But Patty Melts - burger, American or Cheddar, and carmelized onions grilled on Rye - are gooood.
Are Patty Melts burgers?

yes, so good. I’m not into 1000 island but I believe that sauce is part of most patty melts!

MSYtoJFKagain Aug 4, 2020 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by JBord (Post 32581700)
First, I agree that certain foods should have rules. Such as NO KETCHUP on a hot dog...ever! Goes for most other sausages too. I was painfully silent last week when I watched a friend eat nothing on his brat except ketchup. No mustard, onion, or sauerkraut. And he's an adult who knows better.

With that out of the way, I think you're a little too strict on some of the rules. Here's where I'd differ:
- There are other good buns, like a kaiser, or a midwestern "hard roll".
- Any cheese that can be sliced without crumbling is acceptable, including bleu cheese but not the crumbly kind. Honestly, you're just missing out by not trying some of the others. Cool to have a favorite but so many cheeses pair wonderfully with beef.
- Toppings/Condiments: lettuce is fine. Ketchup and/or mustard fine. "Burger sauce", usually some variation of Thousand Island dressing, is ok too, but then that's the only sauce you get.


Buns: I can support other standard rolls but I have a major issue with the "fancy" roll movement. No pretzel rolls, no brioche.
Cheese: I've tried them all. I understand the appeal of a black and bleu burger. I understand using a bulkie roll, kaiser roll, or whatever roll you want. Just not my preference. I also agree that cheeses pair beautifully with beef, I don't agree that they pair well with a burger. I'd rather have a steak with a nice bleu on top.
Toppings: I actually forgot about lettuce. I am in favor of a nice shredded iceberg but a full leaf just gets limp and actually hinders the construction and eating in most cases. Burger sauce is great.

I did say it was a terrible take.

As to patty melts: Do whatever you want. I get mine piled with onions. Different sandwich entirely.

corky Aug 4, 2020 3:52 pm

A donut makes a great bun...seriously.
I can hear you all screaming all the way from here. :D

MSYtoJFKagain Aug 4, 2020 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by corky (Post 32581798)
A donut makes a great bun...seriously.
I can hear you all screaming all the way from here. :D

Eh. I said it was my terrible take. Y'all do whatever you want.

rickg523 Aug 4, 2020 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by corky (Post 32581798)
A donut makes a great bun...seriously.
I can hear you all screaming all the way from here. :D

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