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stut Oct 23, 2014 7:30 am


Originally Posted by VivoPerLei (Post 23721644)
Do you have a favorite low-end sushi chain in London? I went to Yo! the other day because I was quite hungry and wanted something very fast. Not bad for the price. By the way, we tried the Tesco sushi. Yuck

If you can call two branches a chain, then K10 isn't bad.

Wasabi disqualifies itself by having individually wrapped sushi (really can't get my head round this), but I like their onigiri, and their King's Cross branch is open late if I need something on the way home!

LapLap Oct 23, 2014 8:31 am


Originally Posted by VivoPerLei (Post 23721644)
Do you have a favorite low-end sushi chain in London? I went to Yo! the other day because I was quite hungry and wanted something very fast. Not bad for the price. By the way, we tried the Tesco sushi. Yuck

Agree completely about the Tesco muck. Problem is, as I get exposed to more and more of the good stuff my tolerance level for the lower end sushi shifts so I'm getting less and less satisfied with any of the chains.
Take Yo! One of the mixed menu options will cost from between £9 and £12.50
http://www.yosushi.com/love-club/blog/set-priced-menu
Alternatively, you can go to Sushi Hoshino in Holborn and get a sushi set for £12. It wees all over the Yo! stuff. I haven't been to a Yo! Sushi place for years.
If you're OK with the quality of Yo! but want a little bit of an upgrade, there's Yoshino (or Yoshinoya) in Piccadilly. I wouldn't recommend it to stut, slimy sauces galore as they do more of the "international" styles of sushi, but as I mentioned upthread, this kind does work well as "takeaway sushi", it's on a par with some of the more exotic sushi takeouts offered in Japanese department stores. Alternatively, The Japan Centre in Piccadilly also has takeout sushi.
When it opened, Wholefoods in South Kensington had half decent sushi. Don't know if they've maintained the standards.
Since I live in Camden, if I am going to go for sushi (which I don't do very often) I go to Shimogamo. It's a bit salmon heavy, not as refined as other places, but definitely well within my tolerance and enjoyment range. At lunch time they offer a huge sushi platter for £18, I understand the average price for a sushi lunch at a Yo! is about £14. The extra £4 is more than worth it.

VivoPerLei Oct 23, 2014 9:02 am


Originally Posted by stut (Post 23721853)
their King's Cross branch is open late if I need something on the way home!

Well, you're lucky in that respect I guess - not much in the immediate vicinity of Marylebone I've found.


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23722181)
Agree completely about the Tesco muck. Problem is, as I get exposed to more and more of the good stuff my tolerance level for the lower end sushi shifts so I'm getting less and less satisfied with any of the chains.
Take Yo! One of the mixed menu options will cost from between £9 and £12.50
http://www.yosushi.com/love-club/blog/set-priced-menu
Alternatively, you can go to Sushi Hoshino in Holborn and get a sushi set for £12. It wees all over the Yo! stuff. I haven't been to a Yo! Sushi place for years.
If you're OK with the quality of Yo! but want a little bit of an upgrade, there's Yoshino (or Yoshinoya) in Piccadilly. I wouldn't recommend it to stut, slimy sauces galore as they do more of the "international" styles of sushi, but as I mentioned upthread, this kind does work well as "takeaway sushi", it's on a par with some of the more exotic sushi takeouts offered in Japanese department stores. Alternatively, The Japan Centre in Piccadilly also has takeout sushi.
When it opened, Wholefoods in South Kensington had half decent sushi. Don't know if they've maintained the standards.
Since I live in Camden, if I am going to go for sushi (which I don't do very often) I go to Shimogamo. It's a bit salmon heavy, not as refined as other places, but definitely well within my tolerance and enjoyment range. At lunch time they offer a huge sushi platter for £18, I understand the average price for a sushi lunch at a Yo! is about £14. The extra £4 is more than worth it.

Sushi is really the only thing I crave and sometimes I just want a fix, even if it's low end! Okay, back on topic

BuildingMyBento Oct 23, 2014 10:36 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23721234)
Sakura denbu is fish floss (you can get katsuobushi as a floss too: katsuo denbu - makes great okaka).
Sakura denbu is particularly popular around Girls' Day (Hina Matsuri) in March and is a common ingredient in futomaki and casual sushi (esp. Chirashizushi)

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201202/04...23_1640395.jpg

But meat floss?

It's all a texture issue for me.

LapLap Oct 23, 2014 11:20 am


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 23722883)
But meat floss?

It's all a texture issue for me.

Hand on heart, I'm not sure if I would be able to tell which was which if I was given pork floss and seasoned katsuo/dried bonito floss in a blind taste test. On the other hand, okaka (seasoned dried bonito) I see more as an onigiri filling, has a "darker" taste than the sakura denbu. Perhaps pork floss omusubi?

rsqrott Oct 23, 2014 11:44 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23721346)
First I was amazed that a norimaki had been deep fried in breadcrumbs, getting closer I realised that I was wrong. Finding out they were coated in dried onion pieces actually made me think that deep fried sushi might not be that bad after all.

While I find the thought of the onion pieces (and canned, fried onions in general) repellent a local sushi restaurant makes a fried roll called Godzilla roll that is fantastic. The roll contains Eel, white fish and salmon, is dipped in tempura batter and fried until the fish is just cooked. Topped with fish eggs and a spicy mayo based sauce. The interior is moist and wonderful, the exterior just crisp enough and all of the flavors really work together.

No canned onion pieces, though.

CMK10 Oct 23, 2014 1:45 pm

I say put whatever you want in it. If you can sell it, then good for you. I love a good whacky roll (as my Mom calls them) with eel sauce, crabmeat, something fried, maybe some cucumber and cream cheese etc. For the purists, there's always the nigiri menu.

LapLap Oct 23, 2014 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by rsqrott (Post 23723326)
While I find the thought of the onion pieces (and canned, fried onions in general) repellent a local sushi restaurant makes a fried roll called Godzilla roll that is fantastic. The roll contains Eel, white fish and salmon, is dipped in tempura batter and fried until the fish is just cooked. Topped with fish eggs and a spicy mayo based sauce. The interior is moist and wonderful, the exterior just crisp enough and all of the flavors really work together.

No canned onion pieces, though.

Godzilla indeed!

Can you get the restaurant to serve this monster on a stick?

BamaVol Oct 23, 2014 2:30 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23724176)
Godzilla indeed!

Can you get the restaurant to serve this monster on a stick?

Check the Texas state fair.

bensyd Oct 23, 2014 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 23724130)
I say put whatever you want in it. If you can sell it, then good for you. I love a good whacky roll (as my Mom calls them) with eel sauce, crabmeat, something fried, maybe some cucumber and cream cheese etc. For the purists, there's always the nigiri menu.

I agree. However, I've never tried banana sushi and, tbh, I probably never will. It sounds absolutely disgusting.

lhgreengrd1 Oct 23, 2014 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23719620)
Where did you seem to recall seeing smoked salmon/lox as a typical sushi ingredient?

One of my local sushi places always includes smoked salmon in their nigiri assortment. I have to ask them for fresh salmon sushi instead - as I'm not a fan of smoked salmon.

Another of my local sushi places has a couple of rolls that include smoked Salmon (and which I don't order).

braslvr Oct 24, 2014 12:18 am

RE: the deep fried onion crumbles. Here in CA they have become extremely popular. "xxxxx Crunch Roll" Didn't do much for me, but I do really like the other trend of spicy mayo drizzle on some of the rolls.

What about avocado? I've not yet seen it in Japan (traditional sushi bars), but it's been common in CA for 20+ years. I think it's a perfect sushi ingredient.

LapLap Oct 24, 2014 1:20 am


Originally Posted by lhgreengrd1 (Post 23726261)
One of my local sushi places always includes smoked salmon in their nigiri assortment. I have to ask them for fresh salmon sushi instead - as I'm not a fan of smoked salmon.

Another of my local sushi places has a couple of rolls that include smoked Salmon (and which I don't order).

Where is "local" for you???

LapLap Oct 24, 2014 1:32 am


Originally Posted by braslvr (Post 23726634)
RE: the deep fried onion crumbles. Here in CA they have become extremely popular. "xxxxx Crunch Roll" Didn't do much for me, but I do really like the other trend of spicy mayo drizzle on some of the rolls.

What about avocado? I've not yet seen it in Japan (traditional sushi bars), but it's been common in CA for 20+ years. I think it's a perfect sushi ingredient.

Not an upscale ingredient but it is commonly used in Japan, plenty in the Department store and supermarket sushi takeout selections. It emulates some of the "mouthfeel" of tuna belly, I have a Japanese friend who calls it "poor man's sashimi", he served it at a gathering, ripe and sliced together with soy sauce and wasabi. It's particularly popular as a temaki ingredient (at some parties and reunions an assortment of foods are laid out and guests assemble their own temaki (literally hand maki) sushi rolls)
http://blog-imgs-54.fc2.com/s/a/k/sa...0501204749.jpg


Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 23724384)
Check the Texas state fair.

Had that very much on my mind :D

BamaVol Oct 24, 2014 6:11 am


Originally Posted by braslvr (Post 23726634)
RE: the deep fried onion crumbles. Here in CA they have become extremely popular. "xxxxx Crunch Roll" Didn't do much for me, but I do really like the other trend of spicy mayo drizzle on some of the rolls.

What about avocado? I've not yet seen it in Japan (traditional sushi bars), but it's been common in CA for 20+ years. I think it's a perfect sushi ingredient.

But without avocado, how would they make dragon rolls? :(

lhgreengrd1 Oct 24, 2014 8:52 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23726781)
Where is "local" for you???

San Diego - one issue with our local Sushi places is that many of them try to be more trendy than traditional - other than Sushi Ota, which caters as much to Japanese businessmen visiting the area as it does locals.

VivoPerLei Oct 24, 2014 9:55 am


Originally Posted by braslvr (Post 23726634)
What about avocado? I've not yet seen it in Japan (traditional sushi bars), but it's been common in CA for 20+ years. I think it's a perfect sushi ingredient.

Absolutely

MikeFromTokyo Oct 29, 2014 1:13 am

For the most part I only eat Edomae (traditional Tokyo style) sushi.

I am not a fan of California "sushi" with avocados and other non traditional ingredients. Especially those rolls with all kinds of strange ingredients are repulsive.

Glamette Oct 29, 2014 1:02 pm

Honestly some of the weirdest sushi I've had was while in Japan that includes duck, raw horse meat (don't judge me it looked kinda like tuna and nobody told me until after), and wild boar. The only thing I think is weird in sushi is maybe bacon, I can't see how that would work.

zehbra Oct 29, 2014 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by Glamette (Post 23758548)
raw horse meat

as part of sushi? yuck!
...
..... But I had it in a normal restaurant in japan with some pickled garlic and minced ginger. Yummy! superb :D^

Glamette Oct 29, 2014 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by zehbra (Post 23759029)
as part of sushi? yuck!
...
..... But I had it in a normal restaurant in japan with some pickled garlic and minced ginger. Yummy! superb :D^

It didn't taste bad, but I did feel bad for eating Flicka.

MikeFromTokyo Oct 29, 2014 11:58 pm


Originally Posted by Glamette (Post 23758548)
Honestly some of the weirdest sushi I've had was while in Japan that includes duck, raw horse meat (don't judge me it looked kinda like tuna and nobody told me until after), and wild boar. The only thing I think is weird in sushi is maybe bacon, I can't see how that would work.

Oh, there are plenty of different kinds of sushi ingredients used in Japan. I was just saying that I, for the most part, only eat edomae sushi.

I find that the strange rolls found in foreign sushi restaurants, such as some referenced upthread, are usually pretty bad. Often disgusting in fact, especially when they include Mayonnaise and cod roe. But, there are equally disgusting items at many low-end sushi restaurants all over Japan.

LapLap Oct 30, 2014 1:47 am


Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo (Post 23761477)
But, there are equally disgusting items at many low-end sushi restaurants all over Japan.

This really does bear repeating.
I neither hate natto nor love it, it's not something I like to see in a norimaki. On the other hand, I wouldn't say it doesn't "belong" there. From my point of view it doesn't belong in an edomae set in a high end sushi restaurant, but that's another matter.
And you rarely see the stomach churning combinations that often make it into humongous giant futomaki in the high end joints, they are still sushi though. At least the California type American rolls are small.

stut Oct 30, 2014 2:19 am

I did used to balk at the various California style rolls (with a few noble exceptions) but having visited the overhyped but still tasty Sticks & Sushi when in Copenhagen, I've been converted.

Another thing I've noticed in London sushi places - maki are significantly cheaper than nigiri, per comparable amount. I suppose they use less valuable cuts of fish, are made in bulk (relatively speaking) and are often mixed with less expensive ingredients. Is this a general phenomenon?

zehbra Oct 30, 2014 2:55 am


Originally Posted by stut (Post 23761709)
Another thing I've noticed in London sushi places - maki are significantly cheaper than nigiri, per comparable amount. I suppose they use less valuable cuts of fish, are made in bulk (relatively speaking) and are often mixed with less expensive ingredients. Is this a general phenomenon?

I'd say so, yes. Maki seems generally smaller to me as well (at least in European sushi places)? Much much less fish compared to a normal sized piece of nigiri..

LapLap Oct 30, 2014 3:56 am

There's the skill element also. Edible maki rolls are quite easy to do, passable nigiri are much harder.

GadgetFreak Oct 30, 2014 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by stut (Post 23761709)
I did used to balk at the various California style rolls (with a few noble exceptions) but having visited the overhyped but still tasty Sticks & Sushi when in Copenhagen, I've been converted.

Another thing I've noticed in London sushi places - maki are significantly cheaper than nigiri, per comparable amount. I suppose they use less valuable cuts of fish, are made in bulk (relatively speaking) and are often mixed with less expensive ingredients. Is this a general phenomenon?

Hmm, I stayed in the hotel that is located in when in CPH a few weeks ago and didn't eat there. Had some drinks there but ate at other restaurants. Who knew.... ;)

stut Oct 30, 2014 2:50 pm

There's a hotel with a Sticks & Sushi in?

Ahh... It's in the Tivoli hotel, the big conference place.

It's quite a big chain in Kbh - have been to a few locations now. Always enjoy it, although i have been given a tip for a place in Nørrebro now...

LapLap Oct 30, 2014 5:54 pm

That sticks and sushi place includes "sashimi" rolls, perfect for those who don't believe that rice (or seaweed) belongs in sushi.
Daikon shake
http://www.sushi.dk/takeaway/starters.html

silverthief2 Oct 30, 2014 6:57 pm

I'm fine with most vegetables in sushi, but jalapenos and asparagus are the two that just don't work for me.

GadgetFreak Oct 30, 2014 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by stut (Post 23765196)
There's a hotel with a Sticks & Sushi in?

Ahh... It's in the Tivoli hotel, the big conference place.

It's quite a big chain in Kbh - have been to a few locations now. Always enjoy it, although i have been given a tip for a place in Nørrebro now...

Yes, it was the Tivoli. It is on the roof with nice views.

s0ssos Oct 31, 2014 12:30 pm

Non-seafood meat

MikeFromTokyo Nov 1, 2014 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 23761948)
There's the skill element also. Edible maki rolls are quite easy to do, passable nigiri are much harder.

If properly made - and that's a big IF - maki actually require more skill than nigiri to make.

onobond Nov 2, 2014 5:25 am


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 23708491)
There are so many ways to go with that subject line...

I'll start with Liver Sausage!

How about Black Pudding?
:p

stut Nov 2, 2014 9:08 am

Be fair. Black pudding goes with everything...

bjywong Nov 2, 2014 7:52 pm

Mayo.

Any type of warm/hot "filling".

mapu Nov 3, 2014 5:07 am


Originally Posted by bjywong (Post 23781563)
Mayo.

Better stay away from Tsunamayo Maki then ;)

Check out this list, it contains a great selection of sushi.

If you ever have a chance to do so, try Sakura Niku (raw horse). Much better than it sounds.

exilencfc Nov 9, 2014 5:29 pm

Raw fish. Sorry Japan

cubbie Nov 10, 2014 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by mapu (Post 23782875)
Check out this list, it contains a great selection of sushi.

Thanks for posting that link, mapu. That's a great list with good photos. I'll have to pull that up on my phone next time I'm trying to order sushi.

I know that tomago (egg) is a popular sushi topping, but it holds no appeal for me.

MikeFromTokyo Nov 17, 2014 12:01 am


Originally Posted by cubbie (Post 23820710)
...I know that tomago (egg) is a popular sushi topping, but it holds no appeal for me.

Tamago is not really a "topping." It is more commonly served after the nigiri, and at very good restaurants it is delicious. It almost resembles a cake of sorts.


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