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Jasper2009 Aug 30, 2013 8:19 am

Definition of "a rum and coke"
 
Just a random question:

While flying in C/J the other day I ordered a "rum and coke" as my pre-dinner drink and expected either a glass with 1-2 ounces of rum topped up with coke (ice + lemon/lime being a bonus) or an empty glass, 1-2 miniature bottles and a can of coke.

However, I received a large glass of rum filled to the very top (~6 ounches / 180ml) and a glass of coke filled to the very top.

My first thought was "what the heck:rolleyes:", but Iīm wondering: Is there any place in the world where this would have been the standard?

sonofzeus Aug 30, 2013 9:29 am

Interesting history. Many variations. I would not complain about the generous portions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba_Libre

Jasper2009 Aug 30, 2013 10:07 am


Originally Posted by sonofzeus (Post 21363094)
Interesting history. Many variations. I would not complain about the generous portions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba_Libre

I read the article, and couldnīt find any variation where both liquids are served in two separate glasses - especially not in a 1:1 ratio.:p

Of course I didnīt complain, but serving it this way seemed slightly off, not to mention serving a 1/4 bottle of rum at once during a 1h flight doesnīt necessarily seem like the best idea to me.

JWEMTX Aug 30, 2013 10:54 am


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 21362700)
Just a random question:

While flying in C/J the other day I ordered a "rum and coke" as my pre-dinner drink and expected either a glass with 1-2 ounces of rum topped up with coke (ice + lemon/lime being a bonus) or an empty glass, 1-2 miniature bottles and a can of coke.

However, I received a large glass of rum filled to the very top (~6 ounches / 180ml) and a glass of coke filled to the very top.

My first thought was "what the heck:rolleyes:", but Iīm wondering: Is there any place in the world where this would have been the standard?


There was a bar in Austin (Bar Fly... not sure if it still exists) but it was great because I would order a rum and coke and they would give you a glass of rum with a splash of Coke, so you know you were getting your money's worth. I think the bartender was the owner so he was a little more liberal with his measurements, plus I recall the prices being reasonable.

mandolino Aug 30, 2013 1:04 pm

Sounds like "rum macchiato" with just a "stain" of cola. Nice.

gfunkdave Aug 30, 2013 6:10 pm

Sounds like they thought you ordered "a rum and a Coke". :)

jsmeeker Aug 30, 2013 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 21362700)
Just a random question:

While flying in C/J the other day I ordered a "rum and coke" as my pre-dinner drink and expected either a glass with 1-2 ounces of rum topped up with coke (ice + lemon/lime being a bonus) or an empty glass, 1-2 miniature bottles and a can of coke.

However, I received a large glass of rum filled to the very top (~6 ounches / 180ml) and a glass of coke filled to the very top.

My first thought was "what the heck:rolleyes:", but Iīm wondering: Is there any place in the world where this would have been the standard?

what country was this? (what route?) What airline? Doesn't sound like it was prepared by someone familiar with even the most basic cocktails? Not a US based airline, I presume?

CMK10 Aug 30, 2013 9:05 pm

I was on an AA flight in J a number of years back and I asked for a scotch and water. The FA brought me a glass full of scotch and a glass full of water and said "you look like the kind of guy who likes to mix his own drink".

mandolino Aug 31, 2013 2:31 am


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 21366186)
I was on an AA flight in J a number of years back and I asked for a scotch and water. The FA brought me a glass full of scotch and a glass full of water and said "you look like the kind of guy who likes to mix his own drink".

I'd be shocked and not a little angry if they did anything else.

Jasper2009 Aug 31, 2013 8:09 am


Originally Posted by jsmeeker (Post 21365893)
what country was this? (what route?) What airline? Doesn't sound like it was prepared by someone familiar with even the most basic cocktails? Not a US based airline, I presume?

Short-haul flight within North America. However, FA was of Asian descent so there may have been a cultural component.

Jasper2009 Aug 31, 2013 8:13 am


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 21366186)
I was on an AA flight in J a number of years back and I asked for a scotch and water. The FA brought me a glass full of scotch and a glass full of water and said "you look like the kind of guy who likes to mix his own drink".

:D

I guess that comment is half-way between "I like you, so Iīm being extra-generous" and "you look like an alcoholic, so hereīs your 5 shots".

Eastbay1K Aug 31, 2013 8:57 am

In various countries, the alcohol comes in one glass with ice, and then the mixer comes in the bottle (a separate charge) - often, the alcohol glass is "generously-poured" and you simply keep putting in mixer and drink it down.

mandolino Aug 31, 2013 3:13 pm


Short-haul flight within North America
Workin' for the Yankee dollar.

JimJ321 Sep 2, 2013 4:50 pm

This is a very common occurrence at the bar in my basement.

crabbing Sep 3, 2013 3:54 am

while not directly relevant to OP's experience, it did remind me of flying on JAL, where i had to ask for a "whiskey and coke with no coke" to get the glass of whiskey i wanted.

sparkchaser Sep 3, 2013 4:19 am

You ordered a rum AND coke, not a rumn'coke.

Nugget_Oz Sep 4, 2013 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 21362700)
Just a random question:

While flying in C/J the other day I ordered a "rum and coke" as my pre-dinner drink and expected either a glass with 1-2 ounces of rum topped up with coke (ice + lemon/lime being a bonus) or an empty glass, 1-2 miniature bottles and a can of coke.

However, I received a large glass of rum filled to the very top (~6 ounches / 180ml) and a glass of coke filled to the very top.

My first thought was "what the heck:rolleyes:", but Iīm wondering: Is there any place in the world where this would have been the standard?

The FA probably misheard it as "a rum" and "a coke". It's not like an inflight aircraft is exactly quiet.

TheChallenge Sep 5, 2013 3:09 pm

Once I was on an international flight and attempted to order a Cuba Libre, was told they were all out of rum on the flight.

Instead, I asked the FA for Wild Turkey and Coke. She proceeded to bring back a glass of about 8oz of Wild Turkey, and 8oz of Coke. The FA didn't seem to understand I just wanted to substitute out the rum for bourbon, but I was fine with it. It cut down time between refills.

Open Jaw Sep 5, 2013 3:24 pm

Many Cubans I know call a Rum and Coke or Cuba Libre a Mentira or Mentirita (Lie or little lie) because Cuba is not free.

airswim Sep 8, 2013 5:47 pm

Reminds me of the movie "Five Easy Pieces"...hold the chicken.



Originally Posted by crabbing (Post 21380200)
while not directly relevant to OP's experience, it did remind me of flying on JAL, where i had to ask for a "whiskey and coke with no coke" to get the glass of whiskey i wanted.


youreadyfreddie Sep 12, 2013 11:17 am

I was on a UA flight recently and requested a vodka and orange juice. I received a glass of vodka and a glass of orange juice. I was expecting a partially filled glass of orange juice with ice in it and a little bottle of vodka.

Jenbel Sep 12, 2013 11:50 am


Originally Posted by JWEMTX (Post 21363569)
There was a bar in Austin (Bar Fly... not sure if it still exists) but it was great because I would order a rum and coke and they would give you a glass of rum with a splash of Coke, so you know you were getting your money's worth.

That's how we were drinking it in bars and restaurants in Colombia - our Colombian hosts ordered a half bottle of rum and a can of sprite to go with it :eek: :D

milepig Sep 12, 2013 1:18 pm

So, I'm trying to figure out how you drink this - outside of asking for a THIRD glass.

You could drink some of the coke and then top it up with Rum - carefully, but then at the end you'd have drunk some straight coke, some R&C, and you're still left with half a glass (or more) of Rum. I guess you could then ask for more coke??

Jasper2009 Sep 12, 2013 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by milepig (Post 21433750)
You could drink some of the coke and then top it up with Rum - carefully, but then at the end you'd have drunk some straight coke, some R&C, and you're still left with half a glass (or more) of Rum. I guess you could then ask for more coke??

Thatīs exactly what I did - drink some rum, mix a R&C and ask for a can of coke. I guess you could also drink half a glass of rum straight and then enjoy some R&C.:D

tcook052 Sep 13, 2013 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by Open Jaw (Post 21395118)
Many Cubans I know call a Rum and Coke or Cuba Libre a Mentira or Mentirita (Lie or little lie) because Cuba is not free.

Yes but unlike a Rum & Coke a Cuba Libre has a shot of lime juice.

Shangri-La Sep 14, 2013 11:56 am

Does the quality of rum make a difference in a rum or whiskey and coke? Is it worth popping for a bottle of Captain or Crown if the rum is diluted by the coke?

Jasper2009 Sep 14, 2013 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by Shangri-La (Post 21444527)
Does the quality of rum make a difference in a rum or whiskey and coke? Is it worth popping for a bottle of Captain or Crown if the rum is diluted by the coke?

I would never waste a $50-$100 bottle of rum when mixing a rum&coke, but yes, IMO there is a difference between using <$8/bottle crap and a slightly better rum in the ~$15 range such as Captain Morgan, Havana Club etc.

Iīm not really a whiskey drinker, but the same idea probably applies: Donīt waste an expensive single malt / bourbon / etc., but also avoid the very cheap stuff.

CMK10 Sep 14, 2013 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 21444648)
I would never waste a $50-$100 bottle of rum when mixing a rum&coke

I don't think I've ever had an expensive rum drink, how does one take it? On the rocks? Mojito?

Jasper2009 Sep 14, 2013 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 21444753)
I don't think I've ever had an expensive rum drink, how does one take it? On the rocks? Mojito?

While Iīm not a person to spend that much for a bottle of rum (not a huge fan of spirits in general), Iīve most commonly seen people drink expensive rum straight as it is or on the rocks.

Generally speaking: The sweeter/fruitier the drink/cocktail is, the cheaper the rum can be.:p

While coke contains a lot of sugar, itīs obviously not fruity, so one does notice/taste what type of rum was used (unlike a fruity rum punch, for instance).

lvovsky Sep 14, 2013 11:20 pm


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 21444753)
I don't think I've ever had an expensive rum drink, how does one take it? On the rocks? Mojito?

Neat or on the rocks. Anniversaro from Venezuela is highly recommended.

Youngie Sep 17, 2013 6:05 am

I ordered a half scotch and water at a fairly nice hotel in SG. Instead of half a shot I am fairly certain I got half a glass... can't be certain cause I ordered another!

milepig Sep 18, 2013 9:55 am

I was once at one of those "bad" hotel restaurants. You know the type - huge room, even longer menu, few diners, everything frozen and reheated before serving...

Anyway, I went to the bar first, and was waited on by the restaurant server (yes, singular, THE server) who was doing double duty as the bartender hadn't shown up. I asked for a decent Scotch [can't remember which brand] and she served me a water glass FULL of single malt. Dinner became sort of redundant after that.

Showbizguru Sep 18, 2013 11:14 am

I was once on a junket in Mexico and was taken to a magnificent whorehouse in Acapulco where I ordered a Scotch and Canada Dry with a small but perfectly formed Mexican temptress on the side.
A full bottle of Johnnie Walker Black Label duly appeared carried by the dusky-skinned stunner.
That,inevitably,is all I can remember of the evening.
I hope I didn't let the side down.


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