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Flubber2012 May 22, 2013 3:35 pm

I find it hilarious that the British FTers are purporting that good food is worth the $.

While I have not eaten at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant or other Michelin starred restaurants in the UK, besides eating in parts of Africa, the UK has had the worst food I have ever eaten.

1. Perhaps the British are concerned about the safety of meat after BSE?
2. While this thread talks about specific sausages, England is famous for the banger which is also famous for being filled with low quality meat and other fillers. If the UK FTers want to paint cheap US breakfasts with a broad brush, why couldn't an American paint a British sausage with a similarly broad brush?
3. Great chefs have two undeniable qualities...great technical skill and a strong ability to manage the kitchen. However, in 2013, most "foodies" would say that a great chef needs to be able to either meld new ingredients or old ingredients in a new way and (often) to use newer cooking techniques. The "great breakfasts" described here seem to have better quality ingredients cooked in traditional ways. Unless you are a real breakfast aficionado, isn't your money better spent getting a lunch or dinner cooked technically well and you get to taste something new as well? Many high-end modern dishes require multiple smaller "dishes" to be made and assembled just perfectly. The English Breakfast...not.

Flubber2012 May 22, 2013 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by obscure2k (Post 20761817)
+1. I only buy my eggs at the Santa Monica Farmer's Mkt. There is always a line for Mike's Eggs and for good reason. They are the freshest, most delicious eggs I have ever tasted. The shells are so thin that they are almost translucent. The yolks are a bright orange. They cook in a matter of seconds.

I might not be completely understanding your language regarding speed of cooking but you seem to imply that the laws of physics (heat transfer) are violated when SaMo Farmer's Market eggs are cooked on your stove.

The eggs cook in seconds? Perhaps 180 seconds when the eggs from Ralphs cook in 180.1 seconds?

Jenbel May 22, 2013 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by Flubber2012 (Post 20794853)
I find it hilarious that the British FTers are purporting that good food is worth the $.

While I have not eaten at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant or other Michelin starred restaurants in the UK, besides eating in parts of Africa, the UK has had the worst food I have ever eaten.

1. Perhaps the British are concerned about the safety of meat after BSE?
2. While this thread talks about specific sausages, England is famous for the banger which is also famous for being filled with low quality meat and other fillers. If the UK FTers want to paint cheap US breakfasts with a broad brush, why couldn't an American paint a British sausage with a similarly broad brush?
3. Great chefs have two undeniable qualities...great technical skill and a strong ability to manage the kitchen. However, in 2013, most "foodies" would say that a great chef needs to be able to either meld new ingredients or old ingredients in a new way and (often) to use newer cooking techniques. The "great breakfasts" described here seem to have better quality ingredients cooked in traditional ways. Unless you are a real breakfast aficionado, isn't your money better spent getting a lunch or dinner cooked technically well and you get to taste something new as well? Many high-end modern dishes require multiple smaller "dishes" to be made and assembled just perfectly. The English Breakfast...not.

Wow, arrogant much?

Next time you come to the UK, why don't you drop by the UK& Ireland forum to get some decent suggestions? Tourists all too often stick to tourist traps where the food is very often rubbish because they don't know any better about where to find good food.

Flubber2012 May 22, 2013 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 20794962)
Wow, arrogant much?

Next time you come to the UK, why don't you drop by the UK& Ireland forum to get some decent suggestions? Tourists all too often stick to tourist traps where the food is very often rubbish because they don't know any better about where to find good food.

It seems that maybe I touched a nerve?

What is arrogant about my post? I merely refuted assertions made by you and Showbizguru.

Please factually refute my assertions rather than making derisive comments about me ("arrogant").

I could have said, "What cares what a Brit thinks about food?"...that would have been arrogant and argumentative but I did not.

IceTrojan May 22, 2013 6:28 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 20794962)
Wow, arrogant much?

Yet no such reply to the OP, who's trying to tell us silly Americans what is or is not a good breakfast, and that what we have is not bacon?

cblaisd May 22, 2013 10:22 pm

Civility alert!

Please offer your own points of view with good humor and respect, while avoiding snark or attacks aimed at others.

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BuildingMyBento May 22, 2013 11:30 pm

I'd gladly pay up to US$10 for a Turkish breakfast spread. Is it necessarily worth that much? No. Vegetables, cheeses, walnuts, breads, and spreads (honey, apricot preserves, kaymak even), and yoghurt form the crux of it. But it's variety, healthy and satisfying IMO, and it would make a much more welcome addition to standard issue US chain hotel breakfasts than Sysco and vaguely-filled danishes.

Save for the walnuts (and kaymak), doesn't damage the bottom line so much, though if the point is to serve items with a long shelf-life...

VivoPerLei May 22, 2013 11:37 pm


Originally Posted by Flubber2012 (Post 20794853)
the UK has had the worst food I have ever eaten.

Where and what? Totally different subject, but if it was 1987 when I first came to the UK I might agree with you, in general, without knowing what you're specifically referring to. Times have changed for the better

Showbizguru May 23, 2013 6:09 am


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 20793250)
By the way, what's black pudding?

You can find black pudding in various guises all over the world but in the UK and Ireland it's essential pig's blood boiled up with a filller, usually oatmeal, and seasoning that congeals when it cools inside a skin and is then sliced and fried.

In Ireland and Scotland white pudding is also popular and consists of pork meat and fat, suet, bread, and oatmeal formed into the shape of a large sausage and then sliced and fried. No blood in this one.

They sound disgusting but actually when they're made well they taste superb.

Also, adding to the US v UK breakfast debate, I'm a sucker for toasted rye bread, egg whites and pink grapefruit juice all of which are difficult to find on UK breakfast menus.
So those, plus a few fried potatoes, are what I always eat stateside.

But in Greece, fresh local yoghurt covered in honey with a strong coffee is what gets me through the previous night's ouzo.

uk1 May 23, 2013 6:15 am


Originally Posted by Flubber2012 (Post 20794853)
I find it hilarious that the British FTers are purporting that good food is worth the $.

While I have not eaten at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant or other Michelin starred restaurants in the UK, besides eating in parts of Africa, the UK has had the worst food I have ever eaten.


And no raw nerve with me at all. The other comments about the qualities of chefs seems a bit lightwheight.

Out of interest .. what percentage of your meals are eaten in the UK and Europe?

Showbizguru May 23, 2013 6:35 am


Originally Posted by Flubber2012 (Post 20794853)
I find it hilarious that the British FTers are purporting that good food is worth the $.

While I have not eaten at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant or other Michelin starred restaurants in the UK, besides eating in parts of Africa, the UK has had the worst food I have ever eaten.


This would be Gordon Ramsay, the British chef, best known for telling American restaurant owners how to improve their food ? :D

sparkchaser May 23, 2013 6:41 am

I just want to say that I #$% love Stornoway Black Pudding.

WillCAD May 23, 2013 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by Showbizguru (Post 20797767)
They sound disgusting but actually when they're made well they taste superb.

Well, you won't get any argument from me there :eek:

But I'll reserve judgement on those foods until I have the opportunity to see them, smell them, and perhaps taste them in person, which may be quite a while since I've never seen them in my part of America and I don't travel internationally.

IceTrojan May 23, 2013 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 20800030)
Well, you won't get any argument from me there :eek:

But I'll reserve judgement on those foods until I have the opportunity to see them, smell them, and perhaps taste them in person, which may be quite a while since I've never seen them in my part of America and I don't travel internationally.

Have you had scrapple?

Showbizguru May 23, 2013 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 20800030)
Well, you won't get any argument from me there :eek:

But I'll reserve judgement on those foods until I have the opportunity to see them, smell them, and perhaps taste them in person, which may be quite a while since I've never seen them in my part of America and I don't travel internationally.

Both black and white USDA-approved pudding is available on Amazon in their grocery section.

Flubber2012 May 23, 2013 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by Showbizguru (Post 20797867)
This would be Gordon Ramsay, the British chef, best known for telling American restaurant owners how to improve their food ? :D

Not that it matters (the US market is bigger than the UK market) but methinks Ramsay started with Kitchen Nightmares in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay%...hen_Nightmares

Care to actually refute the assertions I made (BSE in the UK possibly being responsible for more oversight of the meat industry)?

uk1 May 23, 2013 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by Flubber2012 (Post 20800860)
Care to actually refute the assertions I made (BSE in the UK possibly being responsible for more oversight of the meat industry)?

Yes.

BSE has little to do with the meat industry today but was in the past instrumental in it becoming more of the focus of farmers and vets, and led to the passport/cattle movement processes. I cannot remember the last time I heard BSE being discussed in the UK.

How much time do you spend in the UK, and how many meals have you eaten here?

Showbizguru May 23, 2013 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by uk1 (Post 20801011)
Yes.


How much time do you spend in the UK, and how many meals have you eaten here?

Or indeed when was the last time Flubber2012 was IN the UK ?

" I've never eaten in any restaurant in the UK renowned for its food and awarded recognition by one or more Michelin stars but I think the food in the UK is crap. "

Thus speak a true gourmand.
:D

cblaisd May 23, 2013 5:34 pm

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