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Old Apr 4, 09, 2:43 pm
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MD-88 to SLC

I just booked a flight from MSP to SLC (DL1457) on May 17th and noticed that the aircraft is an MD-88. I have never seen the Delta MD-88 operate in Salt Lake City...is this a first? We have plenty of MD-90's come here.
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Old Apr 4, 09, 3:01 pm
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I noticed this last night when looking at an itinerary - was a little surprised to see the -88 on MSP-SLC. A 757 also will be flying between the two cities starting soon.

MD-88s have made appearances in SLC in the past - I know that for a couple of months a few years ago, there was an MD-88 on LAX-SLC, and I think it fed from DFW (where it would have been part of the ATL system).
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Old Apr 4, 09, 3:04 pm
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Yes, it will be interesting to see if they will be flying them from other cities as well...
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The MD-88s sometimes rotate through SLC during the winter when high-and-hot performance isn't much of an issue.

They're a bit more rare during the summer though.
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I wish they would put an MD-88 on the MCI-SLC.
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FWIW, it looks like the MD-88s start appearing in SLC on May 14:

MSP-SLC DL1457 Lv MSP 935p Ar SLC 1127p
SLC-MSP DL1456 Lv SLC 835a Ar MSP 1208p

Based on that, it looks like the plane will overnight in SLC. The -88s on MSP-SLC look to be short-lived though - they disappear first week in June. When that happens, you do see 757s appear (the 757 replaces the 737-800 on the morning MSP-SLC; an A320 replaces the MD-88 at night on MSP-SLC).

Addition - checking in mid-May, this will be on the only MD-88 flight that SLC will see. All other mainline flights are 737-800/757/767-300/MD-90.
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Old Apr 4, 09, 6:49 pm
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Sometimes they do send the M88 to SLC. The M88 went to PHX, but that was almost 10 years ago. But the M88's don't go to the west coast because they can't take off during the hot temperatures. That's why the M90's fly out of SLC to SAN/SNA/LAX/PHX/DEN/PDX/SFO/SEA/OAK/BUR.

Wouldn't it have been better to make a massive M90 fleet?
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Old Apr 4, 09, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by tjisnumbaone View Post
Sometimes they do send the M88 to SLC. The M88 went to PHX, but that was almost 10 years ago. But the M88's don't go to the west coast because they can't take off during the hot temperatures. That's why the M90's fly out of SLC to SAN/SNA/LAX/PHX/DEN/PDX/SFO/SEA/OAK/BUR.

MD-88s have been regulars on ATL-TUS (1541 miles) and have made the appearances on ATL-PHX (1587 miles). Still, nothing compared to how AA uses their MD-80s - ORD to LAX (1745 mi), SAN (1723 mi), SFO (1846 mi), SEA (1721 mi) and STL to SAN (1555 mi), LAX (1590 mi) and SFO (1733 mi).

As for the -90s being out of SLC, the reason for hot and high is part of the reason (the -90s do have better performance during a high-altitude summer than the -80s, but it doesn't preclude -80s being used at these airports - AA uses them to DFW and ORD out of SLC year-round), but also their quietness. For some airports out west (SNA is probably the most well-known that's served by mainline jets, but I think SAN might have some restrictions as well), there are restrictions based on the noise footprint of the plane. The MD-90 is quite possibly the quietest plane I've ever been on, and has a substantially smaller noise footprint than the -80s. Helps out with some of those airports.


Wouldn't it have been better to make a massive M90 fleet?
Delta had plans to have the MD-90 be the backbone of the domestic fleet in the early 1990s. They were going to be the replacement for quite a few of the 727s in the fleet (as well as 757s on the higher end, and Delta had a rather large order for 737-300s to replace 737s and for use on some smaller 727 routes). In the end, with the merger between MDD and Boeing, Delta canceled their MD-90s (allowing Boeing to close the MD-90 line) and went with the 737-800, which offered quite a bit more than the MD-90s.
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Originally Posted by mersk862 View Post
MD-88s have been regulars on ATL-TUS (1541 miles) and have made the appearances on ATL-PHX (1587 miles). Still, nothing compared to how AA uses their MD-80s - ORD to LAX (1745 mi), SAN (1723 mi), SFO (1846 mi), SEA (1721 mi) and STL to SAN (1555 mi), LAX (1590 mi) and SFO (1733 mi).

As for the -90s being out of SLC, the reason for hot and high is part of the reason (the -90s do have better performance during a high-altitude summer than the -80s, but it doesn't preclude -80s being used at these airports - AA uses them to DFW and ORD out of SLC year-round), but also their quietness. For some airports out west (SNA is probably the most well-known that's served by mainline jets, but I think SAN might have some restrictions as well), there are restrictions based on the noise footprint of the plane. The MD-90 is quite possibly the quietest plane I've ever been on, and has a substantially smaller noise footprint than the -80s. Helps out with some of those airports.




Delta had plans to have the MD-90 be the backbone of the domestic fleet in the early 1990s. They were going to be the replacement for quite a few of the 727s in the fleet (as well as 757s on the higher end, and Delta had a rather large order for 737-300s to replace 737s and for use on some smaller 727 routes). In the end, with the merger between MDD and Boeing, Delta canceled their MD-90s (allowing Boeing to close the MD-90 line) and went with the 737-800, which offered quite a bit more than the MD-90s.
Yes, AA does even BOS-DFW which is insane. Now those are the ancient ones, the M88's are just old. AA has taken some of them out already. I can see how DL has the 738 - replacing the M88 and the 73W replacing the M90 eventually.
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Old Apr 4, 09, 8:08 pm
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Originally Posted by nperdue View Post
I just booked a flight from MSP to SLC (DL1457) on May 17th and noticed that the aircraft is an MD-88. I have never seen the Delta MD-88 operate in Salt Lake City...is this a first? We have plenty of MD-90's come here.
I flew a MD-88 to SLC in Feb
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Old Apr 4, 09, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by tjisnumbaone View Post
Yes, AA does even BOS-DFW which is insane. Now those are the ancient ones, the M88's are just old. AA has taken some of them out already. I can see how DL has the 738 - replacing the M88 and the 73W replacing the M90 eventually.
BOS-DFW on the MD-88 isn't too bad - I've done it before. That one clocked in at 1562 miles. I've also done DFW-SEA on an Alaska MD-80 before at 1660 miles. I found it preferable over a 757 or 737 - I had the 2 side exit row, so plenty of legroom and easy access to the aisle.

As for replacements, the 737-700 won't replace the MD-90 - completely different missions. The 737-700 was acquired for its performance at restricted airports - SNA, Tegucigalpa, some Caribbean markets. The 737-700 seats 124 passengers compared to 150 on the MD-90, so it's not a great replacement. When the time comes (which is probably a decade away - rumor is DL's looking at acquiring some second-hand MD-90s even), it will be either an A320 (148 seats), 737-800 (160 seats) or whatever Boeing and Airbus decide to build as replacements for these planes that will take over for the MDs.
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Originally Posted by mersk862 View Post
BOS-DFW on the MD-88 isn't too bad - I've done it before. That one clocked in at 1562 miles. I've also done DFW-SEA on an Alaska MD-80 before at 1660 miles. I found it preferable over a 757 or 737 - I had the 2 side exit row, so plenty of legroom and easy access to the aisle.

As for replacements, the 737-700 won't replace the MD-90 - completely different missions. The 737-700 was acquired for its performance at restricted airports - SNA, Tegucigalpa, some Caribbean markets. The 737-700 seats 124 passengers compared to 150 on the MD-90, so it's not a great replacement. When the time comes (which is probably a decade away - rumor is DL's looking at acquiring some second-hand MD-90s even), it will be either an A320 (148 seats), 737-800 (160 seats) or whatever Boeing and Airbus decide to build as replacements for these planes that will take over for the MDs.
Oh...Then it makes more sense to be having more 738's as DL already has many 738's. Really the fleet is an issue now as the 73W and 319 compete, the 738 and 320 compete, and even the 764 and the 330 compete. DL has a major fleet issue - boeing or airbus?
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Old Apr 4, 09, 9:47 pm
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Ok, so I had read here since about the time that I started reading here that the MD-88 wasn't able to fly out of SLC because it wasn't rated for a single engine climbout. Then a few years ago, I flew on a MD-88 SLC-CVG...it was originally supposed to be a MD-90. Does anyone know exactly what the restrictions are?
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Ok, so I had read here since about the time that I started reading here that the MD-88 wasn't able to fly out of SLC because it wasn't rated for a single engine climbout. Then a few years ago, I flew on a MD-88 SLC-CVG...it was originally supposed to be a MD-90. Does anyone know exactly what the restrictions are?
From what I've read, the single-engine climbout is the reason, with the restriction only kicking in above a certain temperature (i.e. the single engine climbout performance is sufficient at 50F, but not 90F).

Somebody needs to tell an actual pilot to join FT and see if they can elaborate more.
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Old Apr 5, 09, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by MastaHanky View Post
The MD-88s sometimes rotate through SLC during the winter when high-and-hot performance isn't much of an issue.

They're a bit more rare during the summer though.
The MD-88 is scheduled for regular service between SLC/DFW and SLC/SJC this summer. It's actually been planned for awhile -- this weekend the SLC/SJC flight replaced a SLC/BOI flight.
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