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Old Apr 7, 07, 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by sxf24
When it comes to what's on the outside of the plane, it sure doesn't hurt to spend less applying and flying paint around.
If you are implying that the cheapest paint should be used, note that some qualities of paint (in particular dried weight and surface characteristics) are proportional to cost. Very similar to bottom paint on a boat (although different characteristics are applicable).

Also, skill is involved in removal of old paint, surface preparation, and priming.

Spend a few more dollars on better paint and labor. Get more in return due to lower fuel costs over the lifetime of the surface.
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Old Apr 7, 07, 8:35 pm
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When are the airlines going to get smart like nascar and stop painting and use "wraps" http://www.3igraphics.com/productdis...t_id=386062646. Everything you see on a nascar car now is stuck on, that way they can change them out. The whole car is wrapped.
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Old Apr 7, 07, 8:37 pm
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Dupe post....

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Old Apr 7, 07, 8:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Lehava
When are the airlines going to get smart like nascar and stop painting and use "wraps" http://www.3igraphics.com/productdis...t_id=386062646. Everything you see on a nascar car now is stuck on, that way they can change them out. The whole car is wrapped.
I think some things on some airplanes are "stuck" on. I have seen some photos on a.net where the things are pealing off. But I bet they don't stick for very long given that they are constantly being pulled at by 500mph+ winds.
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Old Apr 7, 07, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Lehava
When are the airlines going to get smart like nascar and stop painting and use "wraps" http://www.3igraphics.com/productdis...t_id=386062646. Everything you see on a nascar car now is stuck on, that way they can change them out. The whole car is wrapped.
I'd rather not think of large sheets of plastic flying off my airplane and potentially being sucked into engines, or stuck in control surfaces, while the aircraft is at altitude and cruise speed! That could really ruin your day.

Nice thought though - I actually thought of it a while back, when we first started the livery discussion (people were talking about how complex the "Colors in Motion" tail was to paint) and I thought about the same thing. Then, it dawned on me that the last thing the aircraft needs is pieces of plastic stuck in the rudder or elevators.

In NASCAR, I suspect it's a lot less of a deal, since those cars run so infrequently, and are gone over with a fine-tooth comb before each race.
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Old Apr 7, 07, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by sxf24
When it comes to what's on the outside of the plane, it sure doesn't hurt to spend less applying and flying paint around.
Good point. I remember reading someplace that the paint adds a fairly significant amount of weight to the aircraft and that American Airlines, with their big silver aircraft, actually take advantage of that savings.

I'm sure though, that there's some type of sealer or clearcoat, even on the American Airlines aircraft.
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Rumor is, that the tail will be changed to a full widget....elongated to cover the tail.
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Old Apr 7, 07, 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by zsmith2
Rumor is, that the tail will be changed to a full widget....elongated to cover the tail.
In reading your post, zsmith2 I began wondering what this new scheme (the one posted already) would look like on a CRJ. I can't seem to picture it.
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Old Apr 8, 07, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by Pharaoh
If you are implying that the cheapest paint should be used, note that some qualities of paint (in particular dried weight and surface characteristics) are proportional to cost. Very similar to bottom paint on a boat (although different characteristics are applicable).

Also, skill is involved in removal of old paint, surface preparation, and priming.

Spend a few more dollars on better paint and labor. Get more in return due to lower fuel costs over the lifetime of the surface.
I implied no such thing. I'm trying to say a simple livery is cheaper to apply and weighs less.
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Old Apr 8, 07, 1:51 am
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Originally Posted by zsmith2
Rumor is, that the tail will be changed to a full widget....elongated to cover the tail.
Certainly hope so...don't know which is worse - a rotated chopped-up widget or the curved, 'frowny' widget from the Mullin days...
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Old Apr 8, 07, 4:08 am
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In reading your post, zsmith2 I began wondering what this new scheme (the one posted already) would look like on a CRJ. I can't seem to picture it.
Either way....I don't like it.
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Old Apr 8, 07, 6:25 am
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Here's another version and it looks much better MO
http://forums.ifdg.net/index.php?sho...20&#entry25145
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Old Apr 8, 07, 7:00 am
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Just for fun...
This site has pretty fun looking paint jobs.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...?search=normal
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Old Apr 8, 07, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by BFG
Here's another version and it looks much better MO
http://forums.ifdg.net/index.php?sho...20&#entry25145
Ok I really like the shape of that, but still like putting it on a white tail and leaving it red and blue, keep the "three dimensional" but all red is NOT the Delta Widget, it just isnt. It is Northwest!!!!

Edited to add: just took that graphic into photoshop and turned the bottom part of the widget back to two tone blue and the tail white and that design REALLY works. Its quite classy!!!!! http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleIma...p5Fd3Ig%3D

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Old Apr 8, 07, 7:29 am
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I think some things on some airplanes are "stuck" on. I have seen some photos on a.net where the things are pealing off. But I bet they don't stick for very long given that they are constantly being pulled at by 500mph+ winds.
I am SURE some company (Dupont, Dow) can come up with an adhesive for it. We don't worry about the warning stickers on the outside peeling off (don't step here on the wings for example) so obviously the technology is already there!!!
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