First Class Upgrade Scam
#1
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First Class Upgrade Scam
Just a little irritated with the Special Member Services. I called to schedule a reservation for a trip to Phoenix.
The first class fare was priced at $1,349.50 online. I asked what it would cost to buy an M class ticket and upgrade it to First Class. She stated it would be $1,487.50 plus 20,000 miles to upgrade. HUH????
Outright FIRST CLASS - $1,349.50
Upgrade M+ 20,000 - $1,487.50
What is wrong with this picture?
I was willing to pay 600-800 for the ticket... But I'll be ****ed if I'll pay $132.00 more than First Class.
I could play upgrade roulette, but I haven't had much luck with my newly acquired Silver Medalion status. I don't mind paying....but I do mind paying through the nose.. Ya know?
I am traveling with a companion. Should I just buy the 287.00 Coach ticket and try the upgrade thing within 24 hours of departure??
Can I upgrade my companion's ticket with mine at the 24 hour window? Would it be worth buying a K fare? Better chance at upgrade?
How busy is the ATL-PHX route... chance of upgrade??
[This message has been edited by Ms Melissa (edited 08-10-2003).]
The first class fare was priced at $1,349.50 online. I asked what it would cost to buy an M class ticket and upgrade it to First Class. She stated it would be $1,487.50 plus 20,000 miles to upgrade. HUH????
Outright FIRST CLASS - $1,349.50
Upgrade M+ 20,000 - $1,487.50
What is wrong with this picture?
I was willing to pay 600-800 for the ticket... But I'll be ****ed if I'll pay $132.00 more than First Class.
I could play upgrade roulette, but I haven't had much luck with my newly acquired Silver Medalion status. I don't mind paying....but I do mind paying through the nose.. Ya know?
I am traveling with a companion. Should I just buy the 287.00 Coach ticket and try the upgrade thing within 24 hours of departure??
Can I upgrade my companion's ticket with mine at the 24 hour window? Would it be worth buying a K fare? Better chance at upgrade?
How busy is the ATL-PHX route... chance of upgrade??
[This message has been edited by Ms Melissa (edited 08-10-2003).]
#2
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That first class ticket may have been an A fare, which sometimes are less expensive than the higher-fare coach tickets, such as Y, B or M.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ms Melissa:
[B]Should I just buy the 287.00 Coach ticket and try the upgrage thing within 24 hours of departure??
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[B]Should I just buy the 287.00 Coach ticket and try the upgrage thing within 24 hours of departure??
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ms Melissa:
But I'll be ****ed if I'll pay $132.00 more than First Class.
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But I'll be ****ed if I'll pay $132.00 more than First Class.
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#5
Join Date: Jul 2003
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As a newbie I have been trying to find the means to upgrade a jfk-ath coach ticket and I have been running into the same problem. The price difference to an upgradable ticket is almost double of the original ticket. Much of the advice on the forum will be useful after I get status.
Every call seems to give a different price to upgrade or seat availability. This pricing voodoo must be according to SOME kind of formula.
Every call seems to give a different price to upgrade or seat availability. This pricing voodoo must be according to SOME kind of formula.
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Consider UA or AA which allow domestic upgrades confirmed with miles at time of booking off of any fare.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by MisterX:
As a newbie I have been trying to find the means to upgrade a jfk-ath coach ticket and I have been running into the same problem. ..... </font>
As a newbie I have been trying to find the means to upgrade a jfk-ath coach ticket and I have been running into the same problem. ..... </font>
#8
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I have to go no matter, so coach it is. (can you say sardines?)
There has to be a method to their pricing. The deep discounts must be for infrequent travelers. However I have news for delta, those low fares have not escaped the attention of business travelers at least the companies that pay the freight.
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There has to be a method to their pricing. The deep discounts must be for infrequent travelers. However I have news for delta, those low fares have not escaped the attention of business travelers at least the companies that pay the freight.
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Melissa, I fly the ATL/PHX segment often and FC is always full, especially if you are on a FRI or a SUN. You can try the MSU at 24 hours, but being Silver, I doubt it. Compnaions are not upgradeable until 010104. I would buy the cheapy and get an exit row seat; not FC, but it's very comfy.
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I think ATL-PHX and CVG-PHX is now all MD-88. 10C on that plane might be the best Y seat Delta has.
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Delta offers a confirmed seat in First Class (probably an A fare) that is less than the regular rip-off upgradeable coach fares, and it's a scam?
This forum seems to be falling apart. *****, whine, cry, moan, that's all you people do!
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"Where's my money?" -- Pizza the Hutt
This forum seems to be falling apart. *****, whine, cry, moan, that's all you people do!
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"Where's my money?" -- Pizza the Hutt
#12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
Delta offers a confirmed seat in First Class (probably an A fare) that is less than the regular rip-off upgradeable coach fares, and it's a scam?
This forum seems to be falling apart. *****, whine, cry, moan, that's all you people do!
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Delta offers a confirmed seat in First Class (probably an A fare) that is less than the regular rip-off upgradeable coach fares, and it's a scam?
This forum seems to be falling apart. *****, whine, cry, moan, that's all you people do!
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If that's *****ing and whining, then I'm guilty. I simply don't understand the pricing structure for Delta's tickets.
I have purchased M Class tickets and upgraded them to First Class with the Skymiles. Usually it's in the 700-800 range, and I'm OK with that. No whining here... worth it to me.
But the Skymile upgrade now seems virtually worthless.
I even attempted to buy the $1,349.50 First Class Ticket and purchase a First Class ticket for my companion with the 40,000 Skymiles. The agent said that I couldn't do that. I would have to buy a $2,037 First Class ticket + 40,000 Skymiles.
Anyway, long story to short, I purchased two L fare tickets for $278.50 each. Three hour flight.... I'll live and pocket the extra $2,000. Delta is the real loser, because revenue-wise I would have spent more money for the upgrade had the pricing been more reasonable.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ms Melissa:
Anyway, long story to short, I purchased two L fare tickets for $278.50 each. Three hour flight.... I'll live and pocket the extra $2,000. </font>
Anyway, long story to short, I purchased two L fare tickets for $278.50 each. Three hour flight.... I'll live and pocket the extra $2,000. </font>
Delta can go shove it... I am sure they will be happier to upgrade an Elite flyer flying on a $198 cross-country T-fare rather than sell a FC seat for $1000+!!!