DL/CO/NW starts June18 !!
Jun 12, 2003, 2:21 pm
#2
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The article reads:
...These customer benefits are the first actions of the alliance bringing consumers lower fares, increased service levels and broader choices of destinations. ...
Why do I think that the airlines are not in this to bring 'consumers lower fare'?
...These customer benefits are the first actions of the alliance bringing consumers lower fares, increased service levels and broader choices of destinations. ...
Why do I think that the airlines are not in this to bring 'consumers lower fare'?
Jun 12, 2003, 2:24 pm
#3
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Does this mean that when flying Delta on an L/U/T fare, I can earn 100% mileage in NW's ff program, since at NW all fares(almost) qualify for full mileage? That would be nice.
Jun 12, 2003, 2:27 pm
#4
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no...when flying delta's L/U/T fares, you only earn 50% of mileage in NW's FF program.
Jun 12, 2003, 2:42 pm
#5
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It would then stand to reason that if you fly NW or CO lowest fare, DL FF would only get 50% as well? Otherwise you could fly CO or NW and get 100% MQM instead of 50%... why would you fly DL if you are a SM member? Makes no sense..
Jun 12, 2003, 2:43 pm
#6
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by First in Class:
The article reads:
...These customer benefits are the first actions of the alliance bringing consumers lower fares, increased service levels and broader choices of destinations. ...
Why do I think that the airlines are not in this to bring 'consumers lower fare'?</font>
The article reads:
...These customer benefits are the first actions of the alliance bringing consumers lower fares, increased service levels and broader choices of destinations. ...
Why do I think that the airlines are not in this to bring 'consumers lower fare'?</font>
Now I know some will chime in and say that once the carriers ally, they will begin colluding on price. However, I don't expect that to happen. First, the DOJ will be keeping a close eye on this alliance. But evidence from both the NW/CO alliance and the U/UA alliance don't show a lot of collusion.
Example, I recently needed to fly DCA-ORD for a time sensitive trip...meaning I wanted a nonstop flight. I priced UA, AA and US (which codeshares on the UA n/s flights). AA's price was $290, UA was $290 and US was $198. I chose the US flights even though they are actually on UA metal.
Jun 12, 2003, 3:00 pm
#7
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We will have to wait and see how it works out.
According to NWA.com, if you are flying DL and earning mileage on NW, you follow DL rules for mileage accrual. In other words for 500 mile DL flight in L/U/T class you earn 500 NW miles for REDEMPTION but only 250 NW STATUS miles. Vice versa, if you are flying NW and earning mileage on DL and if NW gives 100% STATUS miles my guess is that you WILL get 100% DL STATUS miles as well.
In summary, my read is that you follow the FF program rules of the Airline you are flying and it does not matter which FF program you are accruing the miles in.
[This message has been edited by DLBOSFO (edited 06-12-2003).]
According to NWA.com, if you are flying DL and earning mileage on NW, you follow DL rules for mileage accrual. In other words for 500 mile DL flight in L/U/T class you earn 500 NW miles for REDEMPTION but only 250 NW STATUS miles. Vice versa, if you are flying NW and earning mileage on DL and if NW gives 100% STATUS miles my guess is that you WILL get 100% DL STATUS miles as well.
In summary, my read is that you follow the FF program rules of the Airline you are flying and it does not matter which FF program you are accruing the miles in.
[This message has been edited by DLBOSFO (edited 06-12-2003).]
Jun 12, 2003, 3:02 pm
#8
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the 50% mileage accrual is for elite status. You will earn 500 or actual whichever is greater.
Jun 12, 2003, 3:58 pm
#9
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by DLBOSFO:
We will have to wait and see how it works out.
According to NWA.com, if you are flying DL and earning mileage on NW, you follow DL rules for mileage accrual. In other words for 500 mile DL flight in L/U/T class you earn 500 NW miles for REDEMPTION but only 250 NW STATUS miles. Vice versa, if you are flying NW and earning mileage on DL and if NW gives 100% STATUS miles my guess is that you WILL get 100% DL STATUS miles as well.
In summary, my read is that you follow the FF program rules of the Airline you are flying and it does not matter which FF program you are accruing the miles in.
[This message has been edited by DLBOSFO (edited 06-12-2003).]</font>
We will have to wait and see how it works out.
According to NWA.com, if you are flying DL and earning mileage on NW, you follow DL rules for mileage accrual. In other words for 500 mile DL flight in L/U/T class you earn 500 NW miles for REDEMPTION but only 250 NW STATUS miles. Vice versa, if you are flying NW and earning mileage on DL and if NW gives 100% STATUS miles my guess is that you WILL get 100% DL STATUS miles as well.
In summary, my read is that you follow the FF program rules of the Airline you are flying and it does not matter which FF program you are accruing the miles in.
[This message has been edited by DLBOSFO (edited 06-12-2003).]</font>
In reviewing the NW elite qualification requirements, they sure are alot more generous than DL!
Jun 12, 2003, 4:02 pm
#10
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Just looked at CO site - apparently segments on DL count toward earning elite status. Too bad they didn't start this at the beginning of the year - I would have been able to make status on CO. Oh well.
Jun 12, 2003, 7:55 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">ConnFlyer wrote:
Now I know some will chime in and say that once the carriers ally, they will begin colluding on price. However, I don't expect that to happen. First, the DOJ will be keeping a close eye on this alliance. But evidence from both the NW/CO alliance and the U/UA alliance don't show a lot of collusion. </font>
Now I know some will chime in and say that once the carriers ally, they will begin colluding on price. However, I don't expect that to happen. First, the DOJ will be keeping a close eye on this alliance. But evidence from both the NW/CO alliance and the U/UA alliance don't show a lot of collusion. </font>
A whole lot more NW flyers seem to be worried about their FF program being taken over by the Dark Side of the Farce, for obvious reasons. I guess I'm cautiously optimistic on that score - I may as well be for all the difference it'll make.
The good thing from our viewpoint is not having to shell out money for a WorldClub membership until the end of next February. We'll miss the SAN CRC then, though!
edited for fumble fingers and to add:
Now we may be able put those Delta Dollars to good use...
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Jun 12, 2003, 8:03 pm
#13
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According to UPI (just read on my Earthlionk home page) flights originating or departing hub cities do not qualify.
What exactly this means we will have to see.
Do this mean that if you fly Dl from ATL to Minneapolis you get DL miles but when connecting to NW at Minneapolis to say a small city in WI you don't get DL miles.???
Do you get them on the return segments since the flight on NW is hardly departing a hub city?
Where or what are the hub cities.
Any one else read this?
What exactly this means we will have to see.
Do this mean that if you fly Dl from ATL to Minneapolis you get DL miles but when connecting to NW at Minneapolis to say a small city in WI you don't get DL miles.???
Do you get them on the return segments since the flight on NW is hardly departing a hub city?
Where or what are the hub cities.
Any one else read this?
Jun 12, 2003, 9:19 pm
#14
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From the DL Website:
* When can I begin earning miles with Continental and Northwest?
On June 18, 2003, SkyMiles members may begin earning miles on all Continental-operated (and Continental- or Delta-coded) flights including ExpressJet and Continental Micronesia, as well as on Northwest-operated (and Northwest- or Delta-coded) flights including Pinnacle Airlines and Mesaba Aviation.
It says ALL flights...so I would think that means all CO and NW
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* When can I begin earning miles with Continental and Northwest?
On June 18, 2003, SkyMiles members may begin earning miles on all Continental-operated (and Continental- or Delta-coded) flights including ExpressJet and Continental Micronesia, as well as on Northwest-operated (and Northwest- or Delta-coded) flights including Pinnacle Airlines and Mesaba Aviation.
It says ALL flights...so I would think that means all CO and NW
[This message has been edited by Renard (edited 06-12-2003).]
Jun 12, 2003, 9:33 pm
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Seems to me, I remember DOJ's conditional approval said no code shares between common hubs (ATL-MSP) but I don't remember it addressing FF agreements. I have to digest more of the stuff before making any other opinions on the matter.
