Delta Pilots Need To Become Team Players

 
Old Feb 13, 03, 6:14 am
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Delta Pilots Need To Become Team Players

How can Delta pilots not see the writing on the wall ?
Since USAir and United have filed for bankruptcy the courts have mandated deep wage cuts for pilots...so Delta mangement has tried the diplomatic way but the pilots have "as usual" turned their backs.

So much for team players..I keep forgetting we're the "me" generation.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/030212/delta_pilots_1.html

I guess American and Northwest will file next and then Delta...and the BOTTOM LINE is that the only way to remain competative on salaries and aircraft leases is by a judges order.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 8:16 am
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I believe the only response to your posting is AMEN!
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Old Feb 13, 03, 9:59 am
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My husband has ALREADY taken a 35 percent paycut!!!!!!!!! DL has furloughed over 1,000 pilots, changes in the flight hours and losing his left seat is a very big paycut. I know most of you don't care because they still make money, it adds up. DL are team players, that is why they are professionals that take you back and forth without incident. Oh and by the way, the pilot a couple of months ago that was arrested on suspicion of alcohol abuse, was found NOT guilty! The majority of the people here tried him without getting the facts and I believe it was quite a long bashing. Funny how I don't see a posting on NOT GUILTY DL pilot!
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Old Feb 13, 03, 10:01 am
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Sorry, found the post about the pilot disguised as something else
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Old Feb 13, 03, 10:09 am
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I am sorry your husband took a pay cut. Many others lost their jobs. And people that could barely pay the rent that worked in other parts of the business lost their jobs and are now on welfare or homeless. This all [email protected]

But, since we have decided to turn the airports into a foolish security zone, and have spent so much money on new airports and fancy "stuff", and the airlines are getting dumber in how to treat people and bottom line,

PEOPLE ARE FLYING LESS. Less income means less jobs and in a business that was marginal in the first place, it means only a matter of time that the airline business will look like Amtrak. We are doing it to ourselves America.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 10:27 am
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Once Delta squeezes every last penny out of the non-union lackeys, then it may rightfully ask DALPA for concessions. Until that time, the pilots are justified in refusing to go along with Virginia Ave's "anti-union" crackpot schemes.

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Old Feb 13, 03, 11:37 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by robnsfla:
How can Delta pilots not see the writing on the wall ?</font>
Should one be surprised? DALPA is already in court suing DL over back pay etc for the 1000 pilots on furlough...

This is Delta's punishment for the good deed of maintaining adequate reserves as compared to its competitors. Since as a result DL could, arguably, survive another two years before a bankruptcy is forced, then DALPA's best interest is to siphon off their full ridiculous pay levels for as much of that time as possible. At that point, they can hope the landscape will have changed, and if it's for the worse they'll just deal with it accordingly at that time. There is certainly nothing to convince DALPA that agreeing to lower pay rates now will have any effect on what that 2005 world will demand of them...

Proving to DALPA that they're better off getting on the team NOW versus last-minute is a tough tough sell.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 1:48 pm
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I'm waiting for the day of unmanned cockpits. Technology is already there. Why do we need overpaid bus drivers up front. If they think they are worth their pay, disband the union and lets see what a free market pays.

OTOH, I am a strong supporter of all of Delta's frontline customer service employees: FA, gate agents, CR, telephone.

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Old Feb 13, 03, 2:54 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by avek00:
Once Delta squeezes every last penny out of the non-union lackeys, then it may rightfully ask DALPA for concessions. Until that time, the pilots are justified in refusing to go along with Virginia Ave's "anti-union" crackpot schemes.

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Contrasted with DALPA squeezing every last buck it can out of the company while it is clearly headed down the tubes (cue Dubinsky's DL counterpart)?

Proving once again that ALPA MECs are dumb. They keep this up, and they'll be joining their UA and US bretheren in court before 2005.




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Old Feb 13, 03, 3:00 pm
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Sad, discouraging; but absolutely predictable.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 3:02 pm
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ALPA gives unions a bad name.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 3:16 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Marq:
I'm waiting for the day of unmanned cockpits. Technology is already there.</font>
funnily enough, on the golf course one day we met an HP pilot. But he humorously introduced himself at first as a "data entry specialist"-- for punching the destination code into the nav computers.

it's something of a conundrum how you devise a system that values the skill that is needed --- calm, experienced "exception handling" when things aren't going according to compuplan --- yet doesn't leave those people bone idle the remaining parts of their workday.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 3:36 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Marq:
I'm waiting for the day of unmanned cockpits. Technology is already there. Why do we need overpaid bus drivers up front. If they think they are worth their pay, disband the union and lets see what a free market pays.

OTOH, I am a strong supporter of all of Delta's frontline customer service employees: FA, gate agents, CR, telephone.

my two cents,
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Is that because we know our place in the world, as glorified waitresses, order takers and ticket takers? And we are willing to work for sub-par wages, as opposed to the Pilots who have the good sense to know that the airlines can't get by without their valuable skills, so they band together tightly in opposition to those of us that "know our places"?

If Pilots are "glorified bus drivers" then what does that make an engineer? Incidentally, there are quite a few incidents in which those "glorified bus drivers" have saved the butts of those bus riders.
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Old Feb 13, 03, 4:03 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by avek00:
Once Delta squeezes every last penny out of the non-union lackeys, then it may rightfully ask DALPA for concessions. Until that time, the pilots are justified in refusing to go along with Virginia Ave's "anti-union" crackpot schemes.

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What a stupid comment! Yo uno nothing about DAL non-union pay scales. Since it appears you work for CAL, don't start preaching. You have enough crap laying at your doorstep...
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Old Feb 13, 03, 4:37 pm
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DALPA needs some serious PR work in Atlanta, I still hear Atlanta stories of DALPA working two - four days a month making 150K p/A. I am in the back of the plane and when I get there, I still work five to fourteen days, and I do more than 2-4 days per month long haul.

I think they need some billboards.


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