Beckles

Okay, Delta is running a sale right now for CLT-PHX/LAX/LAS/SFO/SEA/etc. for $417 in YDLUPTN which upgrades to A/D class when booked, here are the full rules:

ECONOMY CLASS UNRESTRICTED NORMAL FARE FARE


BK CODE

TO DISPLAY CARRIER BOOKING CODE REQUIREMENTS ENTER RB1

PENALTY

NOTE - -CHANGES ARE PERMITTED ANYTIME -ALL TKTS MUST BE REISSUED -CHANGES RESULTING IN A HIGHER FARE MUST BE ADD COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF REISSUE -IF THE CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE DIFFERENCE MAY BE REFUNDED TO THE ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT WITHOUT PENALTY EFFECTIVE 01MAR03 SAME DAY CONFIRM/SDC PSGRS HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS AND TKTS MAY CONFIRM TRAVEL FOR AN EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY DL NONSTOP AND/OR CONNECTING FLIGHT/S BETWEEN THE SAME ORIGIN AND DESTINATION AIRPORTS AT NO CHARGE. NOTE - A. SEAT INVENTORY MUST BE AVAILABLE IN THE CABIN APPLICABLE TO THE FARE CHARGED. B. CHANGES PERMITTED TO OUTBOUND OR CONTINUING/ RETURN FLIGHTS C. FLIGHTS/S AND ROUTING MUST BE APPLICABLE FOR THE FARE CHARGED D. IF THE REQUESTED CHANGE IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR THE FARE PURCHASED IE INVAILD ROUTING/ AIRPORT/FLIGHT NUMBER/DEPARTURE TIME/ETC- THE CUSTOMER MAY UPGRADE TO A FARE THAT DOES PERMIT THOSE CHANGES USING NORMAL REISSUE PROCEDURES AND PAYING ANY FARE DIFFERENCE E. IF THE CUSTOMER REQUESTS THE CHANGE MORE THAN 3 HOURS PRIOR TO THE NEW FLIGHT DEPARTURE TIME THE CUSTOMER CAN CONFIRM ON A DIFFERENT FLIGHT ON THE SAME DAY OF TICKETED TRAVEL PAYING ANY APPLICABLE FARE DIFFERENCE TICKET REISSUE PROCEDURES I.CHANGES TO OUTBOUND PORTION OF UNUSED TKTS A. ISSUE A NEW TKT - CANCEL AND START OVER B. MUST USE CURRENT FARES C. VERIFY ALL RULES D. VALUE OF ORIGINAL TICKET MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET II.CHANGES TO CONTINUING/RETURN OF UNUSED TKTS A.ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE FARES AS TICKETED -CANNOT CHANGE ORIGIN/ DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT -MUST BE ABLE TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL FARES AS TICKETED FOR ALL FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED B. REPRICE KEEPING OUTBOUND FARES AND REPLACING CONTINUING/RETURN FARE COMPONENTS USING HISTORICAL FARES -CANNOT CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY C. ISSUE A NEW TKT - CANCEL AND START OVER - MUST USE CURRENT FARES/VERIFY ALL RULES -VALUE OF ORIGINAL TKT MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET III. CHANGES TO PARTIALLY USED TKTS NOTE - MUST COMPLETE TRAVEL BY 1 YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE DATE A.ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE FARES AS TICKETED -CANNOT CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT -MUST BE ABLE TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL FARES AS TICKETED FOR ALL FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY B. REPRICE KEEPING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS AND REPLACE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USING HISTORICAL FARES -MAY CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT EXCEPT FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY C.REPRICE REPLACING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS WITH HISTORICAL FARE/S IN AN EQUAL OR HIGHER BOOKING CLASS AND REPLACE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USING HISTORICAL FARES -MAY CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT EXCEPT FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY -REPLACEMENT FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE OF EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE AND BOOKING CLASS THAN THE ORIGINAL TKTD FARE -USE BOOKING CLASS HIERARCHY WHEN REPLACING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS THE HIERARCHY IS ECONOMY CLASS - Y B M H Q K L U T BUSINESS CLASS - J C D I FIRST CLASS - F A D. REPRICE KEEPING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS AND REPLACE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USING CURRENT FARES - MAY CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT EXCEPT FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS -MUST USE HISTORICAL AND CURRENT FARES/RULES DATABASE. CURRENT FARES MAY BE USED FOR UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. VERIFY ALL RULES OF CURRENT FARES -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE E.REPRICE REPLACING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS WITH HISTORICAL FARE/S IN AN EQUAL OR HIGHER BOOKING CLASS AND REPLACE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USING CURRENT FARES -MAY CHANGE ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF ANY FARE COMPONENT EXCEPT FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS -MUST USE HISTORICAL AND CURRENT FARES/RULES DATABASE. CURRENT FARES MAY BE USED FOR UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. VERIFY ALL RULES OF CURRENT FARES -USE HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF ORIGINAL TKT ISSUE -ALL OTHER RULE DATA MUST BE VERIFIED INCLUDING FARE COMBINABILITY. -REPLACEMENT FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE OF EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE AND BOOKING CLASS THAN THE ORIGINAL TICKETED FARE. -USE BOOKING CLASS HIERARCHY WHEN REPLACING FARES FOR FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS. THE HIERARCHY IS ECONOMY CLASS - Y B M H Q K L U T BUSINESS CLASS - J C D I FIRST CLASS - F A F. ISSUE A NEW TKT -ORIGINAL TKT HAS NO RESIDUAL VALUE -CALCULATE NEW TICKET USING CURRENT FARES -VALIDATE ALL RULES

SEASONS

NO SEASON RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

BLACKOUTS

NO BLACKOUT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

FLT APPL

NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

STOPOVERS

NO ENROUTE STOPOVERS PERMITTED. A STOPOVER OCCURS WHEN THE PASSENGER DOES NOT DEPART AN INTERMEDIATE POINT WITHIN 4 HOURS.

TICKET RESTRICTIONS

NO SALES RESTRICTION APPLY.

DISCOUNTS

NO FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INF PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. INF PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. *** CHILDREN DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY. TOUR CONDUCTOR/ SALES AGENT DISCOUNT APPLIES.

REROUTE

SEE PENALTY.

TRANSFERS

UNLIMITED TRANSFERS AS PERMITTED ON THE ROUTING.

COMBINATIONS

CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO CIRCLE TRIP/SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAW - -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF VIA ANY CARRIER. -MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS APPLY CIRCLE TRIP - -PERMITTED. -UNLIMITED FARE BREAKS/STOPOVERS PERMITTED. OPEN JAW - -SINGLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED AT EITHER ORIGIN OR DESTINATION. DOUBLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED. END-ON-END - -PERMITTED. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE FARE COMBINATION POINT. CO-TERMINALS - -THE FOLLOWING GROUPS OF CITIES ARE CONSIDERED TO BE THE SAME POINT BUR - SNA - LAX - ONT, OAK - SFO - SJC, BWI - WAS, FLL - MIA, NYC - EWR.

REFUNDS

SEE PENALTY.

CO-TERMINALS

-THE FOLLOWING GROUPS OF CITIES ARE CONSIDERED TO BE THE SAME POINT BUR - SNA - LAX - ONT, OAK - SFO - SJC, BWI - WAS, FLL - MIA, NYC - EWR.

MISC

NOTE - FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 01JAN 03 - STANDBY IS NOT PERMITTED. SAME DAY CONFIRM/SDC - PASSENGERS HOLDING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS AND TICKETS MAY CONFIRM EARLIER/LATER SAME DAY FLIGHTS BETWEEN SAME ORIGIN/DESTINATION/ STOPOVER POINTS. NEW ITINERARY MAY NOT BE CONFIRMED MORE THAN 3 HOURS PRIOR TO DEPARTURE TIME OF NEW OUTBOUND FLIGHT. THE NEW ITINERARY MUST BE VALID FOR ORIGINAL FARE PURCHASED. SEE PENALTIES/VOLUNTARY CHANGES FOR COMPLETE RULES AND RESTRICTIONS


Here's my question ... my company sends folks on trips to Phoenix a lot, if we were to book a couple of these for each person for future dates, could we just change the dates without penalty and additional fare when we know the right dates for the trips? I thought we could, but the language of the fare rules would seem to say otherwise ...

[This message has been edited by Beckles (edited 02-06-2003).]

JS

You can do that without paying change fees, but you will have to pay the fare increase if you change the date later (presumably this sale isn't permanent). The relevant part of the rule is "... RESULTING IN A HIGHER FARE MUST BE ADD COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF REISSUE ..."

Assuming this is fully refundable (I didn't locate the wording), just guess at the dates, and if you guessed wrong, get a refund or take the relatively cheap trip anyway.

rcs85551

If you want to change the ticket before flying, you can do it without penalty - but the fares avaiable on the day you change the ticket count - and my bet would be that this nice fare won't be there anymore, so you will be hit with the additional collection.

RobertS975

Come on, Beckles! Over six thousand posts on FT, you had to know the answer to this one!
This fare is just trying to kick US Air in the chops. Of course, you would have to pay any applicable fare increase for the eventual dates of your travel, if any.

jeffreyt

What I think is ludicrous is that DL had to use a 1000 words to say what it could have in 20. Dumb. No wonder Beckles was confused.

Beckles

Thank you ... that about sums it up!

Yeah, these are great fares for business trips (where we usually pay a lot more!) and okay for leisure travel when you consider it's paid first class ... I booked two for leisure trips actually ...

jimrpa

How the heck are people finding these sale fares? I've tried looking on delta.com and can't get them (unrestricted r/t to LAX comes up at $2,500, F to LAX comes up as $2,300, etc.) HELP?

vasantn

I got $423. Are you sure you're looking at CLT originations?


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Vasant

jeffreyt

jimrpa, make sure you have "unrestricted" unchecked. I found many of the $400 LAX-CLT fares for CLT, but not in other area airports that are closer to where I want to go next month (RIC).

Beckles

These fares are from DL and US going at each other ... US is offering them out of CVG and ATL and DL is offering them out of CLT and PIT to a bunch of West Coast cities including LAX, SFO, SEA, PHX, and LAS ...