DL's Walk-Up Fares Are Immoral
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DL's Walk-Up Fares Are Immoral
We recently had a death in the family and needed tickets on a few days notice from ATL-CMH. DL wanted more than $1,200 per seat for the one-hour flight, more than $900 if we wanted to go to Detroit or another out-of-the-way city first.
I've done a slow burn on this and concluded that my hometown airline is immoral. They eliminated bereavement fares a while back on the premise that their Simplifares made even last-minutes fares "affordable." $1,200 for a one-hour flight is neither affordable nor reasonable nor even conscionable. It is plain and simple immoral. They are taking advantage of people with a last-minute change in circumstances -- and in my opinion it shouldn't matter WHAT the reason for the change is.
I have understood as DL has increased their baseline fares in order to return to profitability. However, I have lost respect for them in their greed to charge rip-off prices that have no relationship to the service being offered. "Supply and demand" is no excuse.
I've done a slow burn on this and concluded that my hometown airline is immoral. They eliminated bereavement fares a while back on the premise that their Simplifares made even last-minutes fares "affordable." $1,200 for a one-hour flight is neither affordable nor reasonable nor even conscionable. It is plain and simple immoral. They are taking advantage of people with a last-minute change in circumstances -- and in my opinion it shouldn't matter WHAT the reason for the change is.
I have understood as DL has increased their baseline fares in order to return to profitability. However, I have lost respect for them in their greed to charge rip-off prices that have no relationship to the service being offered. "Supply and demand" is no excuse.
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Originally Posted by Sirecca
They eliminated bereavement fares a while back on the premise that their Simplifares made even last-minutes fares "affordable."
But back when DL had bereavement fares, weren't they 1/2 of the normal full coach fare? I just checked and full fare MCO-AUS round trip is $1397.99, so that would still have been $700 round trip. Wasn't there once a cap on Simplifares? I thought it was around $500 one way? When did that go away???
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Originally Posted by Sirecca
"Supply and demand" is no excuse.
Know what you call an airline that gives away their product cheaply to be charitable....OUT OF BUSINESS!!!
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Originally Posted by Sirecca
"Supply and demand" is no excuse.
Very sorry for your loss Sirecca.
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Originally Posted by Lehava
Shame on them ....
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DL "Immoral"?
Nobody ever promised you a rose garden....."
Don't fly Delta, a simple choice, but meanwhile a bit of exploration might have shown you several less expensive alternatives, none non-stop and some actually requiring a bit of driving.
On the other hand, one presumes that out in your driveway, waiting to pick up the slack, even with high-cost high-octane, the old family flivver would have moved you to CMH (providing local transport as a bonus) in a day's haul.
You had a number of choices, and let your disdain (likely deserved) for the first of them cloud your perspective. Meanwhile, tomorrow, you may need to travel to a destination for which the DL ticket is the "best deal". Are you going to let your reaction over the cost of an emergency trip to CMH prevent you from exercising economic good judgement in a later choice?
I don't like DL much, but fly it when advantageous...
Don't fly Delta, a simple choice, but meanwhile a bit of exploration might have shown you several less expensive alternatives, none non-stop and some actually requiring a bit of driving.
On the other hand, one presumes that out in your driveway, waiting to pick up the slack, even with high-cost high-octane, the old family flivver would have moved you to CMH (providing local transport as a bonus) in a day's haul.
You had a number of choices, and let your disdain (likely deserved) for the first of them cloud your perspective. Meanwhile, tomorrow, you may need to travel to a destination for which the DL ticket is the "best deal". Are you going to let your reaction over the cost of an emergency trip to CMH prevent you from exercising economic good judgement in a later choice?
I don't like DL much, but fly it when advantageous...
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Originally Posted by Sirecca
We recently had a death in the family and needed tickets on a few days notice from ATL-CMH. DL wanted more than $1,200 per seat for the one-hour flight, more than $900 if we wanted to go to Detroit or another out-of-the-way city first.
I've done a slow burn on this and concluded that my hometown airline is immoral. They eliminated bereavement fares a while back on the premise that their Simplifares made even last-minutes fares "affordable." $1,200 for a one-hour flight is neither affordable nor reasonable nor even conscionable. It is plain and simple immoral. They are taking advantage of people with a last-minute change in circumstances -- and in my opinion it shouldn't matter WHAT the reason for the change is.
I have understood as DL has increased their baseline fares in order to return to profitability. However, I have lost respect for them in their greed to charge rip-off prices that have no relationship to the service being offered. "Supply and demand" is no excuse.
F*ck you, Delta.
I've done a slow burn on this and concluded that my hometown airline is immoral. They eliminated bereavement fares a while back on the premise that their Simplifares made even last-minutes fares "affordable." $1,200 for a one-hour flight is neither affordable nor reasonable nor even conscionable. It is plain and simple immoral. They are taking advantage of people with a last-minute change in circumstances -- and in my opinion it shouldn't matter WHAT the reason for the change is.
I have understood as DL has increased their baseline fares in order to return to profitability. However, I have lost respect for them in their greed to charge rip-off prices that have no relationship to the service being offered. "Supply and demand" is no excuse.
F*ck you, Delta.
In the future check prices to places like Dayton, it is only 70 miles away from Columbus and more low cost carriers fly there (you could take airtran)
And since you on such short notice it might help to check with a travel agency as well.
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Originally Posted by Traveller
The airlines can ask for documentation so that every other traveller doesn't use the funeral excuse to get a cheap fare.
We complained that there were too many fares and fare types. Now that they've been reduced, we want them all back?
Last edited by DLfan; Jun 25, 2006 at 8:22 am
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Use Miles
A very good use of miles, if you ask me. Even if you have to redeem 50K miles per ticket, that is $1200.00/50K miles or 2.4 cents per mile.
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Originally Posted by Traveller
Well for a last minute trip to a funeral (and most are ), the airlines should offer a true low bearevement fare to family. The airlines can ask for documentation so that every other traveller doesn't use the funeral excuse to get a cheap fare.
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I believe that airline supervisors should have the ability, in terms of bereavement, to find the lowest possible fare in which the airline will not take a loss on the ticket. I would consider it unfare for the airline to have to lose money on a ticket, but I also believe in special circumstances like this, they should not profit or at least not substantially.
One suggestion I would make, is that the airline, to ease the difficulties with bereavement fares, permit those with proper documentation to use miles at the Skysaver rate with the terms of Skychoice, so there will be availability. Just a courtesy to those who have lost.
One suggestion I would make, is that the airline, to ease the difficulties with bereavement fares, permit those with proper documentation to use miles at the Skysaver rate with the terms of Skychoice, so there will be availability. Just a courtesy to those who have lost.
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Sirecca....let me add my condolences for your loss.
Ironically, here's a recent quote from Jim Whitehurst, DL's COO:
"Q: Simplifares?
A: There was a cap and reduction to 6 coach fares and 2 FC fares. We still like this, we don’t have special fares and bereavement fares and all that crap that adds cost."
Sounds a bit harsh but it seems bereavement fares went South when DL tried to simplify it's fare schedule.
Ironically, here's a recent quote from Jim Whitehurst, DL's COO:
"Q: Simplifares?
A: There was a cap and reduction to 6 coach fares and 2 FC fares. We still like this, we don’t have special fares and bereavement fares and all that crap that adds cost."
Sounds a bit harsh but it seems bereavement fares went South when DL tried to simplify it's fare schedule.
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Originally Posted by GoCanes
I believe that airline supervisors should have the ability, in terms of bereavement, to find the lowest possible fare in which the airline will not take a loss on the ticket. I would consider it unfare for the airline to have to lose money on a ticket, but I also believe in special circumstances like this, they should not profit or at least not substantially.
One suggestion I would make, is that the airline, to ease the difficulties with bereavement fares, permit those with proper documentation to use miles at the Skysaver rate with the terms of Skychoice, so there will be availability. Just a courtesy to those who have lost.
One suggestion I would make, is that the airline, to ease the difficulties with bereavement fares, permit those with proper documentation to use miles at the Skysaver rate with the terms of Skychoice, so there will be availability. Just a courtesy to those who have lost.
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Originally Posted by Cholula
"Q: Simplifares?
A: There was a cap and reduction to 6 coach fares and 2 FC fares. We still like this, we don’t have special fares and bereavement fares and all that crap that adds cost."
A: There was a cap and reduction to 6 coach fares and 2 FC fares. We still like this, we don’t have special fares and bereavement fares and all that crap that adds cost."
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If there was no other way to travel between 2 points, I might agree that DL had a moral obligation. But that is not the case. No one owes you a free ride anywhere, or a reduced fare either.
Those of us who have chosen the nomadic life would do well to plan for contingencies such as this. The last time I had to drive a great distance for a funeral, I was able to pack 6 in a van and drive 600 miles overnight. I did not blame anyone for having to do so.
I'm sorry for your loss. Your judgement may be clouded by your emotional state.
Those of us who have chosen the nomadic life would do well to plan for contingencies such as this. The last time I had to drive a great distance for a funeral, I was able to pack 6 in a van and drive 600 miles overnight. I did not blame anyone for having to do so.
I'm sorry for your loss. Your judgement may be clouded by your emotional state.