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#16
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Is this legit or a prank?
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...d.main/891047/
(I never trust anything from those message boards)
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...d.main/891047/
(I never trust anything from those message boards)
#17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by B747-437B:
MKC = Kansas City, MO
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MKC = Kansas City, MO
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Perhaps you mean MCI?
MKC has no runway longer than 7002ft, nor does it have the FIS facilities to process a transoceanic flight.
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#18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jwhite4:
Is the assumptiuon, at least as fare a Delta goes, that service would be to either LGW or LHR? Do either AA or UA provide service to both London airports?
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Is the assumptiuon, at least as fare a Delta goes, that service would be to either LGW or LHR? Do either AA or UA provide service to both London airports?
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Open skies has been discussed time and time again. The problem is that even without the restrictive Bermuda 2 agreement, without slot divestiture at LHR open skies means very little.
#20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by 777-232LR:
Perhaps you mean MCI?
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Perhaps you mean MCI?
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MCI is the code for Mid Continent International airport, which is one of the airports covered under MKC.
The bilaterals are negotiated by CITY, not by airport. Hence, the bilateral specifies MKC rather than MCI.
#21
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The bilaterals are negotiated by CITY, not by airport.
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The bilaterals are negotiated by CITY, not by airport.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by BizJet:
FWIW, this is the "loophole" that recently allowed BA to switch their BWI service from LGW to LHR, since it is covered under Washington, D.C.</font>
FWIW, this is the "loophole" that recently allowed BA to switch their BWI service from LGW to LHR, since it is covered under Washington, D.C.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by B747-437B:
MKC is the code for the city of Kansas City, MO.</font>
MKC is the code for the city of Kansas City, MO.</font>
No other general city pair, such as TYO/CHI/WAS/NYC etc is specified in this manner. I must respectfully say that I believe you to be mistaken.
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#24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by 777-232LR:
I find this difficult to accept as MKC seems to be specifically detailed as the "Kansas City Downtown Regional Airport" with the specific coordinates of 39-07-23.668N / 094-35-33.846W, and featuring two intersecting runways of 7002ft & 5050ft in length.
No other general city pair, such as TYO/CHI/WAS/NYC etc is specified in this manner. I must respectfully say that I believe you to be mistaken.
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I find this difficult to accept as MKC seems to be specifically detailed as the "Kansas City Downtown Regional Airport" with the specific coordinates of 39-07-23.668N / 094-35-33.846W, and featuring two intersecting runways of 7002ft & 5050ft in length.
No other general city pair, such as TYO/CHI/WAS/NYC etc is specified in this manner. I must respectfully say that I believe you to be mistaken.
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If so, I believe DAL is another counter example. DAL can refer to all the Dallas-area airports, or specifically to Love Field. (I guess perhaps DFW can also be a city code and an airport-specific code).
p.s.: 747 is never mistaken.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by BizJet:
Are you saying that no city code is also an airport code?
If so, I believe DAL is another counter example. DAL can refer to all the Dallas-area airports, or specifically to Love Field. (I guess perhaps DFW can also be a city code and an airport-specific code).
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Are you saying that no city code is also an airport code?
If so, I believe DAL is another counter example. DAL can refer to all the Dallas-area airports, or specifically to Love Field. (I guess perhaps DFW can also be a city code and an airport-specific code).
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by BizJet:
p.s.: 747 is never mistaken. </font>
p.s.: 747 is never mistaken. </font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by 777-232LR:
No other general city pair, such as TYO/CHI/WAS/NYC etc is specified in this manner. I must respectfully say that I believe you to be mistaken.
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No other general city pair, such as TYO/CHI/WAS/NYC etc is specified in this manner. I must respectfully say that I believe you to be mistaken.
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MKC includes the airports KMKC (Kansas City Downtown), KOJC (Kansas City Executive), KJCI (Kansas City Industrial) and KMCI (Mid Continent International). Service to London may be operated from any of those gateways, pending approval from the appropriate US authorities.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by BizJet/777-232LR:
747 is never mistaken
Yeah, I believe that one
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747 is never mistaken
Yeah, I believe that one
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Thanks for the summary of Bermuda II, B747-437B. Based on what you say, there is no way BA is allowed to operate nonstops to PHX, SAN and DEN from LHR. And yet that is what they have announced they will be doing from October!
There must have been a renegotiation of the Treaty, or else BA are incredibly certain of getting it.
I agree that slots are a big problem even if DL gets access at LHR. BA has spent very large amounts of money buying slots from SN (7 per day) after it went bust and also from a number of smaller European airlines (who it has given LGW slots to).
There must have been a renegotiation of the Treaty, or else BA are incredibly certain of getting it.
I agree that slots are a big problem even if DL gets access at LHR. BA has spent very large amounts of money buying slots from SN (7 per day) after it went bust and also from a number of smaller European airlines (who it has given LGW slots to).
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by House:
Based on what you say, there is no way BA is allowed to operate nonstops to PHX, SAN and DEN from LHR. And yet that is what they have announced they will be doing from October! </font>
Based on what you say, there is no way BA is allowed to operate nonstops to PHX, SAN and DEN from LHR. And yet that is what they have announced they will be doing from October! </font>
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Alaska's short-lived SNA-YVR service
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Alaska's short-lived SNA-YVR service
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