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Old Nov 15, 00, 1:31 am
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Next Year

My last trip put me over 100,000 Delta status miles again this year.

I donít think it is going to happen next year.

The main reason is not the SWU fiasco, although that plays a big part. The reason is that by dumping the Portland flights to Japan, I am much less likely to use Delta for my two trips there (going through LAX is too painful).

Another factor is that my company will pay for business class. I might go through LAX to get upgrades, but why take that trip if I can fly nonstop to Japan from SFO on United?

With two Japan trips, an Australian trip (DL in not in the running on this one!) and a number of trips to IAD, I would seem to be on my way to a decent status on United. And anything less than Platinum on Delta doesnít seem to be worth the effort.

How about you? Stay or go?
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Old Nov 15, 00, 7:45 am
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Well, not to be a Delta defender (I'm annoyed with them, too, for lots of reasons), but Delta's BE service is WAY better than Business class on United. I recently flew to Tokyo and insisted on flying Delta rather than my company's preferred United, because of the added comfort. Incidentally, it cost more, too!

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Old Nov 15, 00, 8:01 am
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Still, once Opus achieves status w/United, he'll have no trouble (barring traveling employees) upgrading from paid C to F on UA.

Originally posted by bdschobel:
Well, not to be a Delta defender (I'm annoyed with them, too, for lots of reasons), but Delta's BE service is WAY better than Business class on United. I recently flew to Tokyo and insisted on flying Delta rather than my company's preferred United, because of the added comfort. Incidentally, it cost more, too!

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Old Nov 15, 00, 12:46 pm
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Originally posted by bdschobel:
...Delta's BE service is WAY better than Business class on United. ...
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Delta's BE is better than United's Business. I recently flew both on back-to-back weeks (DL on 767 & MD-11, UA on 777 and 767).

United has less legroom and a middle seat on the 777. However, the seat is quite nice on the 777, with a massage feature and lots of buttons (opus like pretty buttons). The in-seat videos were the airline versions, not the uncut ones often seen on DL. The UA767 was an unimpressive crate.

The question for me is: Is the better seat worth an extra two hours in the air AND the connection time at LAX? At least, Portland was on the way!

And F on United is pretty nice, if I can upgrade.
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Old Nov 15, 00, 1:27 pm
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Opus -- I think the verdict is that DL's Business is way better than UA's, BUT if you can upgrade to UA's First Class, then that's your best bet. Have you sat in UA's new "First Suite" seat? It really blows all of the other options out of the water.

However, if you're gonna be in Business, I would gladly take the connection at LAX, and get the far-superior DL product.

Just MHO.
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Old Nov 15, 00, 4:52 pm
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Opus, I say Yes, it is worth it to fly to LAX for the DL conx if you are flying C class. But no, if you are flying UA F. On domestic flights, I will actually fly down o PDX from SEA to connect with one of the 2 MD-11's they use over to CVG or down to ATL and then make one more connection. I really like that comfort all the way across in BE, as well as the power supply hookup for the laptop. I'd rather fly an extra hour for 4 hours domestic comfort, and international connections would only make me want to do that more. I hope this helps.
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Old Nov 15, 00, 6:25 pm
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Maybe it is because I just connected through LAX last week after Delta cancelled my Portland flight (see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum81/HTML/001340.html ).

Sitting on that plane (12 hours is a LONG time -- the extra two hours is just too long!), I kept telling myself that this is a stupid way to go.

Is Delta BE better than United? Yes. Is it so much better that it justifies 2 extra hours in the air and more hours on the ground? Don't think so.

Maybe I'll forget next year. But I do know I have to be in both Osaka and Kobe (near Osaka) next year -- once in the spring and once in the fall.

I can fly non-stop SFO-KIX on United.

Or I can fly down to LAX on someone else(probably not DL, since I will want to go from SJC), change terminals, fly to Nagoya on a 13-hour flight (with a nice seat), take a taxi into town, stay the night and then catch the train to Kobe or Osaka the next morning.

On the other hand,I am quite encouraged that Delta will start a SJC-JFK flight next year, with a decent connection with the European flights (something the current SJC-ATL connection doesn't really have). Inside sources tell me that this may not be the announced 757, but a bigger plane once the SJC runway is expanded!

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Old Nov 15, 00, 7:44 pm
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Opus, you might want to do a search regarding the non-stop UA service SFO-KIX. If I remember the discussions correctly, they use their oldest 747s or something about them being OP or OB--which ever is worse.
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Old Nov 20, 00, 5:25 pm
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Looks like the OP's are all gone.

And looks like I'm now a genuine comped Premier Executive.
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Old Nov 20, 00, 9:15 pm
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Please keep us posted on how the "other half" lives. I am planning on avoiding UA because of their performance of late followed by a huge fare hike, but I'm still keeping my options open in case Delta goes through with Benefits Downgrade 2001 and retains its inane Simply Good Business policy.

Originally posted by opus17:
Looks like the OP's are all gone.

And looks like I'm now a genuine comped Premier Executive.


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Old Nov 20, 00, 9:49 pm
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Spiff -- since 95% of my travel is business, I only really have 2 choices -- Delta & United, due to company policy.

I probably will use both next year (estimate a total of 120K+ miles), but I'm not sure what the balance will be.
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Old Nov 20, 00, 9:52 pm
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God bless corporate travel policies. I'm still looking at AA since (at least for now) my company lets me fly on whomever I choose as long as the prices are relatively similar. I hope that Delta changes its tune or that UA treats you better.

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Old Nov 21, 00, 7:53 am
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What about next year is a very tough question! (Please excuse spelling in this post, not on a PC with English spell check.)

I have been working on what to do in 2001 since notice of the SWU removal.

I am annoyed about the way DL is handling the FF program, and the FF program is the main reason I fly/flew DL. (quid pro quo for putting up with ASA/TSE) If the changes were not announced, I would have flown 30 or more transatlantic segments, over 125 dmoestic segments and more then 175K miles in 2000. I made PM for 2001 in July, and with this in mind, I started flying on other airlines trying to determine who will be my main carrier starting some time in 2001.

The date to make the change and the airlines to pick is not a simple decision by any means.

The Date: If I join another airline program Jan 1, and even if they make me top level, this will result in my wasting PM level for the year as little travel would be on DL.

If the new airlines does not give me top level, but gold, then I have to live at lower standards at least until I earn top-level.

To complicate things, an airlines that offered to comp me top level would certainly be favored for my final pick.

So, do I jump Jan 1 or March or April?

Carrier of Choice: Within 2 months of when DL gave the orginal plan modification notice, I started flying on other airlines. My main carrier, already selected for 2001 domestic, is Southwest. For the price I am paying, I am pleased with everything. Their FF program is okay, better for those who do short trips, and about 2/3rds of my travel on them is CA./BWI. Would be nice if they figured how to count in segments instead of entire trips.

So, domestic is taken care. My changng to Southwest has already happened. Should have my first free ticket in a week or so and am hoping to earn the free buddy pass for a year.

This leaves the international carrier decision, and also what date to make the international change.

Just called TA to start working on a reservation, AMS/SNA/AMS or 2nd choicee of AMS/LAX/AMS. Changing planes once would be prefered.

Can be done on DL, not on UA. On UA however, I can get a through flight number but it is KLM to UK and then UA to Chicago onwards to SNA. Probably a good chance of a missconnect on the AMS/UK so needs lots of layover time, which means a very early morning.

Who has the best oeverall system map to meet my needs? Can I find an alliance that has an interline agreement with WN? Will it be possible to find hub cities with UA service and WN?

Not sure of these answers. Checking on the interline between WN and UA now, will know tomorrow. Maybe someone knows how well WN and UA overlap each other. WN seems to do a good job of staying out of large hubs, hence they are on time most of the time.

If I can not make this work with UA, will BA join Sky Team? Does this do me any good? Should I wait a few months and see? Could the FF program get better or worse if BA joins? If BA joins, this "MAY" cause DL to downgrade the program again to meet BA's level, sort of like what may have resulted when AF joined and our SWU's go away. At the same time, if a large number of us bolt, then DL may see the errors of their ways and come up with a solution and bonuses to come back to the fold.

Any comments, suggestions? I am looking for all the insight I can get as to who should be my Domestic and International carriers of choice.

Cities I often fly to:
BWI/MHT/BOS/JFK/GNV/FLL/WPB/SNA/LAX/SAN/BNA
DUB/AMS/KLU(Austria)/LJU(Slovenia)/London
...soon Italy, maybe Germany and HNL.


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Old Nov 21, 00, 9:18 am
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Dealing with the interline issue on the Southwest board.
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Old Nov 21, 00, 4:37 pm
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I might go through LAX to get upgrades, but why take that trip if I can fly nonstop to Japan from SFO on United?
Answer: 90K bonus miles per each bizelite trip to japan!! plus as empty as dl will be, it still must be better than ua out of sfo!
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