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tantuti Sep 7, 2004 1:25 pm

What's wrong with Delta?
 
I flew Delta for the first time and I will never go back. I rather stay with nonepass. Delta dosen't have a radio, tv's or won't even give you a full can or bottle water. The worst thing... I flew 4 flights(2 connecting) over the weekend and out of 4 flights 2 only had a/c going. We sat on the tram without a/c and during in flight.

Are they trying to save money by not turning or using the a/c?

CelticFlyer Sep 7, 2004 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by tantuti
I flew Delta for the first time and I will never go back. I rather stay with nonepass. Delta dosen't have a radio, tv's or won't even give you a full can or bottle water. The worst thing... I flew 4 flights(2 connecting) over the weekend and out of 4 flights 2 only had a/c going. We sat on the tram without a/c and during in flight.

Are they trying to save money by not turning or using the a/c?

Not running air conditioning in flight would hardly save money. The outside air is actually cold enough that it generally needs some heat from the engines to bring it up to a reasonable temperature. Larger aircraft on the ground are generally fed air from an air conditioning unit at the jetway until they push back. What equipment was it? What did the FAs say?

Many DL flights do actually have individual radio and communal TV available even in coach.

tantuti Sep 7, 2004 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by CelticFlyer
Not running air conditioning in flight would hardly save money. The outside air is actually cold enough that it generally needs some heat from the engines to bring it up to a reasonable temperature. Larger aircraft on the ground are generally fed air from an air conditioning unit at the jetway until they push back. What equipment was it? What did the FAs say?

Many DL flights do actually have individual radio and communal TV available even in coach.


it was all 737's. we were on the runway for about 30 mins without any kind of air coming out the vents and when we got airborne there was very little air coming out and everybody on the plane was using the magazines as a fan and complaing to the FAs and they say "oh well"..

I forgot to add in the original topic. The zones seating?? what's up with that? I was seat 14 and I was in Zone 9. I figure if I waited til zone 9 is called I would have no room for my backpack. Why not board by seat numbers?

CelticFlyer Sep 7, 2004 3:23 pm


Originally Posted by tantuti
it was all 737's. we were on the runway for about 30 mins without any kind of air coming out the vents and when we got airborne there was very little air coming out and everybody on the plane was using the magazines as a fan and complaing to the FAs and they say "oh well"..

Well perhaps you should write and complain. In such a situation I would have asked the lead FA a) what entry was already in the log (if any) regarding cabin tempereature and b) what did they intend to enter in the log after the current flight. While you were sitting on the ground the ram air system wouldn't have been able to offer much flow over the heat exchanger although some models have additional fans to force some flow over the heat exchanger when the aircraft is on the ground. Once you were in the cruise cool air should have beeen abundant.

NoStressHere Sep 7, 2004 3:28 pm

Don't fly with NW then. NONE, ZERO domestic flights have any inflight entertainment. DL generally compares with most airlines on inflight stuff, though there are always expceptions and bad days. A/C usually is not a problem, but that happens at times as well. You did not mention your city pairs.

indufan Sep 7, 2004 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by tantuti
I figure if I waited til zone 9 is called I would have no room for my backpack.

They let you board out of sequence? More and more, I have seen them kicking people out of line for jumping the queue.

kenpo777 Sep 7, 2004 4:34 pm

[QUOTE=NoStressHere]Don't fly with NW then. NONE, ZERO domestic flights have any inflight entertainment. DL generally compares with most airlines on inflight stuff, though there are always expceptions and bad days. A/C usually is not a problem, but that happens at times as well. You did not mention your city pairs.[/QUO

I never had good luck with northwest.

bdschobel Sep 7, 2004 6:08 pm

How are the zones defined, anyway?
 

Originally Posted by indufan
They let you board out of sequence? More and more, I have seen them kicking people out of line for jumping the queue.

As a GM assigned seat 23D on a 737-800, my boarding pass said "Zone 3." I didn't think that was possible and tried to board with Zone 2 (the group immediately following first class). Really, I thought that my zone assignment was an error. Well, it was not! And the gate agent made it quite clear to me that Zone 3 was ZONE 3, not Zone 2. I had to wait a couple of minutes. I never did figure out who the Zone 2 people were, but they seemed to be in front of me on the plane. Isn't that the opposite of most airlines' boarding procedure? Shouldn't people in the rear board earlier? Can anybody explain?

Bruce

indufan Sep 7, 2004 6:13 pm

I certainly don't understand all of it. Zone 1 is clearly for F passengers and a couple of select rows in Y, regardless of Medallion status. Zone 2 is for medallions in other select rows. Zone 3 is for the rest of the medallions. Zone 4 begins general boarding. I think there are a lot of factors into the zone concept including the plane type and the load of the particular aircraft.

And Bruce, shame on you for trying to cheat!

vasantn Sep 7, 2004 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by bdschobel
As a GM

Look on the bright side, Bruce ... only 6 more months to a different GM (general member) status! :D

indufan Sep 7, 2004 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by vasantn
Look on the bright side, Bruce ... only 6 more months to a different GM (general member) status! :D

But Bruce is a 2MM.

eefor jfp Sep 7, 2004 7:02 pm

I know that elite flyers on partner airlines fall into Zone 3 (i.e. SkyTeam Elite or Elite Plus on AF, AZ, KE, etc. as well as CO & NW Medallions). I was under the impression that Zone 2 was Delta Elites.

bdschobel Sep 7, 2004 7:07 pm

Yeah, I thought so, too, but the gate agent made it VERY clear to me that I was in Zone 3, even as a 2MM/GM/FC. The system makes no sense to me.

Bruce

El Perro Sep 7, 2004 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by bdschobel
As a GM assigned seat 23D on a 737-800, my boarding pass said "Zone 3." I didn't think that was possible and tried to board with Zone 2 (the group immediately following first class). Really, I thought that my zone assignment was an error. Well, it was not! And the gate agent made it quite clear to me that Zone 3 was ZONE 3, not Zone 2. I had to wait a couple of minutes. I never did figure out who the Zone 2 people were, but they seemed to be in front of me on the plane. Isn't that the opposite of most airlines' boarding procedure? Shouldn't people in the rear board earlier? Can anybody explain?

Bruce

The reason you boarded later is because you had an aisle seat.

I'm not sure EXACTLY how zone boarding works, but it's similar to the 'board from the rear of the aircraft forward', but with a few twists. First, people in the bulkhead are allowed to board earlier since they have no under the seat storage space.

The way I understand it is it's not just rear going forward, but also outside going in. In other words, window seats board before aisles.

Delta tried this with Delta Express years ago and discovered they could load the plane MUCH faster. With Zone boarding, you minimize people having to get up to let the people in the window and middle seats get to their seats, which delays boarding.

So as was said - Zone 3 may still be an 'elite zone', but you go later because you are on the aisle so that those sitting in the middle and window seats can be seated first.

Or something like that.

pbiflyer Sep 7, 2004 7:36 pm


Originally Posted by CelticFlyer
Not running air conditioning in flight would hardly save money.

Actually, they do. While taxiing now, Delta, as do most airlines, use only one engine. In some planes - MD80's that I know of, this does not allow the AC to run at full power.
Flying out of PBI in the summer on MD80s is brutal. They are always hot. Reduced power to the AC does not help.


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