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3Cforme Mar 21, 2019 8:20 am

Let's have the Minimum Connect Time (MCT) experts familiar with the AMS layout tackle this one.

LoganFlyer Mar 21, 2019 8:36 am


Originally Posted by pokerloser949 (Post 30912890)
I am flying MSP-AMS-DEL and the time between the AMS and DEL flights is less than an hour. I am a PM in D1 will I make that flight? Worried about the close timing.

How much less than an hour? MCT for this connection is 50 minutes, which is enough time to get between non-Schengen gates at AMS. You'll need to hustle, but you'll make it. If you have less than 50 minutes, I'd push whatever channel you booked this through to route you differently.

pokerloser949 Mar 21, 2019 8:39 am

It says 54 min

LoganFlyer Mar 21, 2019 8:58 am

That's enough time--just don't dawdle when you get to AMS. And be ready with a backup plan in case your first flight is late.

CO-PLAT Apr 10, 2019 4:29 am

DUS (Shengen) - AMS - PDX (non-shengen). One PNR, 50 minute connection. DUS-AMS on KLM Cityhopper, AMS-PDX on Delta. The rules I read say 90 minute min connection time.

I was at AMS earlier this week BOM-AMS-DUS and had to go through the passport check. The automated Kiosks on the left were being used for EU passports only. Can I use my USA e-Passport to go through these kiosks? If not, I'll squeeze my way over to the right Privium line that was being used for short connections.

I will check my bag because I have too many liquids & gels. If my bag doesn't make it, they'll deliver it to my house at 2AM the following day.

flyerCO Apr 10, 2019 4:38 am


Originally Posted by CO-PLAT (Post 30984686)
DUS (Shengen) - AMS - PDX (non-shengen). One PNR, 50 minute connection. DUS-AMS on KLM Cityhopper, AMS-PDX on Delta. The rules I read say 90 minute min connection time.

I was at AMS earlier this week BOM-AMS-DUS and had to go through the passport check. The automated Kiosks on the left were being used for EU passports only. Can I use my USA e-Passport to go through these kiosks? If not, I'll squeeze my way over to the right Privium line that was being used for short connections.

I will check my bag because I have too many liquids & gels. If my bag doesn't make it, they'll deliver it to my house at 2AM the following day.

Kiosks can be used for exiting by US passport holders. Can't be used for entering currently. Make sure to ask for your stamp from the guard watching over the egates as you walk away.

You can call DL and they'll likely rebook. Was there a schedule change or was it booked like this?

roelb Apr 10, 2019 5:13 am

This connection is legal (MCT is 50min) and really not an issue at all. This is one I have done quite a few times, without a hitch. The flight from DUS will be offloaded by bus and drop you off at a bus gate in the B concourse. Just walk towards C/D/E/F etc, pass through the Schengen border (yes, you can use the e-gates, but make sure to get a stamp as a non-EU citizen), and walk to your new gate. Shouldn't take more than 10 to 15 minutes. There is no security check, so don't worry about your carry-on.

This is a completely different process as the one entering the EU from BOM. In that case, you arrived from a non-EU/US/CA airport and had to go through security to enter the secure zone. That is not the case with your flight from DUS. You will deplane directly into the secure zone, but just on the intra-Schengen side of the airport (concourses A-B-C and part of D). While walking over to the non-Schengen side (concourses D-E-F-G-H) you pass through immigrations in between the entrances to the C and D concourses.

LoganFlyer Apr 10, 2019 7:04 am


Originally Posted by CO-PLAT (Post 30984686)
DUS (Shengen) - AMS - PDX (non-shengen). One PNR, 50 minute connection. DUS-AMS on KLM Cityhopper, AMS-PDX on Delta. The rules I read say 90 minute min connection time.

Are both flights DL-coded? If so, then 50 minutes is the MCT for a Schengen to non-Schengen connection, not 90. I've updated the Wiki with that fact.

CO-PLAT Apr 10, 2019 7:45 am


Originally Posted by LoganFlyer (Post 30985024)
Are both flights DL-coded?

Thanks, all.

Yes. DL + DL 179.

I think I still have to check my bag, because they won't let me into DUS airport with the liquids. Anyway, my 1st flight is an E175, so overhead space would be limited and I have a large briefcase for may laptop also.

roelb Apr 10, 2019 8:05 am

The bag is not an issue, I have never had a bag not connect at AMS. You can track the bag's progress on the Delta app and/or get a notification as soon as it's loaded on the next plane.

Anyway, don't worry, you can usually even sneek in some lounge time on a connection like this. There is a slim, very slim chance that there is a serious queue at the Schengen to non-schengen immigrations border (between C and D concources). If that is the case, and if you are at least Skyteam elite, there is a way around this queue. But that will take you landside and you need to go through (priority) security to re-enter the airside zone. I would only advise to do something like that if there is a serious issue at this immigrations location and you reckon it will take more than 15 to 20 minutes to clear.

If, and only if you decide it will take you 15-20 minutes+ there, the route to go around this would be to turn around, follow the signs to baggage claim and exit, and as soon as you exit the sliding doors, turn right, go up the escalator, elevator or stairs to departures. Walk over to departures two and enter the KLM/Skyteam Skypriority/Elite area (you need to show your boarding pass to enter and any elite is welcome (Silver/Skyteam elite as well)). Walk past the desks, go up the escalator to your right and scan your boarding pass upstairs. You're at security now. Immigrations is directly behind. After immigrations, you exit directly into the non-Schengen airside zone. Take the escalator down and walk to your gate. Make sure you're there 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure and your fine.

Finally, don't expect a lot of people on that DUS-AMS flight. I've been on that route with less than 20 fellow pax in the plane.

CO-PLAT Apr 10, 2019 8:13 am


Originally Posted by roelb (Post 30985208)
The bag is not an issue, I have never had a bag not connect at AMS. You can track the bag's progress on the Delta app and/or get a notification as soon as it's loaded on the next plane.

Anyway, don't worry, you can usually even sneek in some lounge time on a connection like this. There is a slim, very slim chance that there is a serious queue at the Schengen to non-schengen immigrations border (between C and D concources). If that is the case, and if you are at least Skyteam elite, there is a way around this queue. But that will take you landside and you need to go through (priority) security to re-enter the airside zone. I would only advise to do something like that if there is a serious issue at this immigrations location and you reckon it will take more than 15 to 20 minutes to clear.

If, and only if you decide it will take you 15-20 minutes+ there, the route to go around this would be to turn around, follow the signs to baggage claim and exit, and as soon as you exit the sliding doors, turn right, go up the escalator, elevator or stairs to departures. Walk over to departures two and enter the KLM/Skyteam Skypriority/Elite area (you need to show your boarding pass to enter and any elite is welcome (Silver/Skyteam elite as well)). Walk past the desks, go up the escalator to your right and scan your boarding pass upstairs. You're at security now. Immigrations is directly behind. After immigrations, you exit directly into the non-Schengen airside zone. Take the escalator down and walk to your gate.

Finally, don't expect a lot of people on that DUS-AMS flight. I've been on that route with less than 20 fellow pax in the plane.

Thanks again. I'm Diamond and flying J so I'll do this if necessary.

.

aquamarinesteph May 14, 2019 10:20 pm

Quick question prompted by the email which Delta just sent to me.

I am traveling (all one booking) from DTW to AMS (Delta). From AMS I have a connecting flight to FCO (KLM). I have the dreaded MCT of 90 minutes for making the connection to my flight to FCO. The email was very specific about locating your connecting gates (which may change) and finding passport control. The connection terminal with be either B or C, per the email.

I know that I have to go through passport control since I'm arriving from the US. I know this will be a potentially tight connection, especially if the first flight is late. Any advice on what to look for/how to best navigate this connection and hopefully reach my flight to Rome before the doors close? I've never done this particular direction (US to Europe) going through AMS, and it's been a few years since I was there. Thank you!!!

gooselee May 14, 2019 10:46 pm


Originally Posted by aquamarinesteph (Post 31102548)
Quick question prompted by the email which Delta just sent to me.

I am traveling (all one booking) from DTW to AMS (Delta). From AMS I have a connecting flight to FCO (KLM). I have the dreaded MCT of 90 minutes for making the connection to my flight to FCO. The email was very specific about locating your connecting gates (which may change) and finding passport control. The connection terminal with be either B or C, per the email.

I know that I have to go through passport control since I'm arriving from the US. I know this will be a potentially tight connection, especially if the first flight is late. Any advice on what to look for/how to best navigate this connection and hopefully reach my flight to Rome before the doors close? I've never done this particular direction (US to Europe) going through AMS, and it's been a few years since I was there. Thank you!!!

If the wiki is still correct, MCT for your flights is only 60 min, and IME 90 should be plenty of time. You'll exit the plane, pass through passport control, and go straight to the gate for your FCO flight. You will not need to collect checked baggage - it will transfer to your FCO flight and you'll collect it and clear Italian customs there.

You can expect quite a bit of walking through the terminal, but it is well signed and there are transfer desks along the way of needed.

If all else fails, you're at KL's hub on a single SkyTeam ticket, so even if the flight from DTW is delayed and you misconnect, you should be rebooked easily on to the next flight to FCO with any seats available.

flyerCO May 14, 2019 11:44 pm

Also no need to re clear security at Amsterdam since coming from us.

aquamarinesteph May 15, 2019 12:01 am


Originally Posted by flyerCO (Post 31102684)
Also no need to re clear security at Amsterdam since coming from us.

Thanks for the replies! But - no need to clear security again? Really? I'm not upset or anything. Just surprised!


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