If I fly CDG-AMS-USA, I know I will probably have to answer some questions at AMS, but do I have to be rescreened by security at AMS?
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Added a wiki with MCT information. Sorry about the size, but there's no easy rule for KL-KL non-Schengen to non-Schengen connections, so I posted the whole output from Expertflyer for that case.
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Originally Posted by Buster CT1K
(Post 30476700)
If I fly CDG-AMS-USA, I know I will probably have to answer some questions at AMS, but do I have to be rescreened by security at AMS?
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Originally Posted by LoganFlyer
(Post 30476716)
Added a wiki with MCT information. Sorry about the size, but there's no easy rule for KL-KL non-Schengen to non-Schengen connections, so I posted the whole output from Expertflyer for that case.
Practical connection time in AMS is dependent on three variables: a. whether you need to reclear security, yes or no. No if inbound from EU, US or Canadian airports. Yes for all other cases. Add anywhere between 15 to 30 minutes. With Skypriority, you can be done in 5, but the scanners at AMS do mark a lot of items for manual secondary screening, which can slow things down a lot. b. the inbound gate area c. the outbound gate area As for gate area's, there are two main area's: the schengen and non-schengen side of the airport. Schengen side is gates A, B, C and D gates numbered 59 or higher (top floor of the concourse), all interconnected. B and A gates are a longer (5 minute) walk from C and D. Non-Schengen side is gates D1-58 and all E, F, G and H gates, all directly interconnected and an easy walk. There are immigrations desks in-between these area's, seperate from the immigration desks that passengers originating or having their final destination in AMS go through. If your connection involves switching between schengen and Non-Schengen area's, you'll need to pass through immigrations at this location (in between D and C councourses). Add 5 to 10 minutes if yes. There are e-gates for EU passports (and in the future, folks from other countries that have registered for RTP-NL) and manned desks. Usually no queue. Special cases are: - train connections (KL sells train rides from Brussels, Antwerp and other locations, they actually have KL flight numbers) - connections to or from a low-cost airline flying within the Schengen zone, arriving or departing from the M gates. Train connections are handled landside. When connecting from a train to a flight, after disembarking from the train, you take the escalator or elevator up to Plaza level and proceed to the check-in desks, where you are now simply a passenger originating from AMS. When your connection is from a flight to a train, simply follow the signs for arriving passengers towards baggage claim, pick up any luggage and proceed through customs into the plaza area. Now proceed to the NS International desk where your train tickets will be issued. They need your ID and PNR/confirmation number to issue the tickets. Afterwards, take the escalator down to the platform and hop on the train. For elites with a long flight to train connection there unfortunately is no official way to get into the lounge. What you could do is stay airside and try to get in, but you won't have a boarding pass. If you're flying business, your train segment will have been booked in first class, which will allow you access into the NS lounge that is located landside. Connections to and from the M gates (low cost airlines, completely detached) take a long time and requires a seperate check-in, reclearing security, etc. As far as I know, no official connections are sold that involve connecting to or from the M gates. If you decide to "self-connect" to an airline arriving or departing on these gates (Wow, Norwegian, Easyjet, etc), plan a connection that is at least two hours, not taking possible delays into account. |
Originally Posted by flyerCO
(Post 30476612)
They'll rebook you in J. Even if it means flying you to HAN, CAN, PVG, or CGK to fly VN, CZ, MU, or GA.to SYD. (VN or GA would be great options and IMO better experiences than even KE) Unlike US airlines (though DL is generally much better), foreign airlines usually have no issue putting you on another carrier in IRROPS.
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It was a mess over here yesterday with cancellations due to dense fog.
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Anyone think it's ideal to have an 80 minute connection in AMS from the EU on a KLM morning flight back to the U.S. on a DL flight? There are a few options I'm looking at, so I could take an alternative with greater connection time such as 2.5 hours, but ideally I'd prefer the least connection time that makes sense to get back as quickly as possible (not just what's legal, as I know it's legal). I believe I'll have to just pass through passport control and not security, right?
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Originally Posted by MarkP24
(Post 30566097)
Anyone think it's ideal to have an 80 minute connection in AMS from the EU on a KLM morning flight back to the U.S. on a DL flight? There are a few options I'm looking at, so I could take an alternative with greater connection time such as 2.5 hours, but ideally I'd prefer the least connection time that makes sense to get back as quickly as possible (not just what's legal, as I know it's legal). I believe I'll have to just pass through passport control and not security, right?
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Originally Posted by satish_ny
(Post 30566131)
80 minutes is more than sufficient time to transfer from a KLM flight from an EU airport to a DL flight to a US destination.
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Originally Posted by roelb
(Post 30479590)
There are immigrations desks in-between these area's, seperate from the immigration desks that passengers originating or having their final destination in AMS go through.
If your connection involves switching between schengen and Non-Schengen area's, you'll need to pass through immigrations at this location (in between D and C councourses). Add 5 to 10 minutes if yes. There are e-gates for EU passports (and in the future, folks from other countries that have registered for RTP-NL) and manned desks. Usually no queue. There is a short connection line though at immigration that you can use if your flight departs in the next 60 minutes (checked by an airport employee). Also an important tip, that speaks for itself: if you need clear immigration, do that first BEFORE going to the lounge. KLM has lounges in both the Schengen and Non-Schengen areas, and they are equally good. |
Originally Posted by MarkP24
(Post 30566168)
Thank you!
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Originally Posted by satish_ny
(Post 30575100)
You are welcome! I hope all goes well for you. Please update the thread with your experience.
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Originally Posted by robert4travels
(Post 30574981)
Usually no queue at immigration is not true. This year I flew 3 times US-AMS-EU destination or vice versa, and it always took me at least 30 minutes to clear immigration (even with my EU passport), and always found long queues. .
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9ee5b2d920.jpg I might just be lucky of course. |
Originally Posted by roelb
(Post 30584832)
That's not my experience. I've made a habit of looking at that queue whenever I fly from AMS, coming down from the escalator into the non-schengen departures area. Never seen a large queue there, and each and every time that had to go through there myself there was no queue at all. I've was just there, about an hour ago, and again, no queue at all:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9ee5b2d920.jpg I might just be lucky of course. |
Lines are ok most of the day. Mornings can be bad, especially when the automatic kiosks are not open/working
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