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fromYXU Feb 13, 05 8:17 am


Originally Posted by Threy
And even if there 75 people in the line ahead of you, we are not taking about US style immigration, in Europe they will swipe your passport or only look at it and maybe ask to what destination you are going today, so that will not take more than 10 minutes as well,even behind 75 other guys, so plenty of time to shop at Fabulicious Schiphol

Last time I went through (late January), immigration took more time than usual. You also had to have your bags scanned afterwards. Maybe things are changing... I did, however, make my 1 hour connection (E to B terminal).

wldtrvlr Feb 13, 05 10:47 am


Originally Posted by fromYXU
Last time I went through (late January), immigration took more time than usual. You also had to have your bags scanned afterwards. Maybe things are changing... I did, however, make my 1 hour connection (E to B terminal).

I think you are talking about coming back to the states. To board a US flight you will get your bags scanned and go through the interview process at the gate. I think the OP is Leaving the US in route to FCO so he should only have the Passport swipe and no bag scan.

One hour should be fine. I did FCO twice last year with a short connection and a long walk. At the hour my flight got in from DTW I don't think there was much shopping available anyway. The airport was kind of dead. I got to the gate well before boarding started. Just make your pit stop at the on board lavatory before descent starts if possible and then you won't have to make that stop in the terminal.

I think some of the Passport Control officers in Europe are "retaliating" against US citizens and trying to slow down our processing to mirror the way that European and other countries visitors are treated when arriving in the US. They just do not do a very good job of slowing it down in Europe. That is just my guess.

fromYXU Feb 13, 05 11:05 am


Originally Posted by wldtrvlr
I think you are talking about coming back to the states. To board a US flight you will get your bags scanned and go through the interview process at the gate. I think the OP is Leaving the US in route to FCO so he should only have the Passport swipe and no bag scan.

No, this was msp-ams-vie. I was surprised at the long time I spent in line waiting for the agent. He was quite persistent in asking questions regarding visas and destinations. Maybe I just happened to be in the wrong line. ;) The scanning was also new. This was in going from E to B terminal in AMS.

On the return leg, also an hour long conection, the line for passport checks were probably longer going from B to E but it took no time: a quick look and off I went. The secondary screening at the gate was the usual.

MikeMpls Feb 13, 05 3:19 pm

Dutch passport control is usually quick, but they are very alert. I've seen them spend extra time on individuals and divert them for extra attention.

The Madrid bombings happened on our first morning in Europe last spring. Schiphol had a whole different air about it on the way home a week later.

mrcimino1 Feb 13, 05 11:42 pm

Many Changes at AMS
 
Yes, for those who have not been there in a while, there have been quite a few changes at Schiphol.

I happened to read a brief statement in the January KLM Holland Herald that said something like: "Due to new EU requirements regarding Security, all passengers must pass through an enhanced Security Check before departing from an EU airport."
Hence, the new scanners/metal detectors just after Passport Control on your way to the B/C/upper level D gates. Also, the Passport Control desk on lower level D has been closed, forcing everyone to use the same passageway into the B/C/upper D area. (This WAS a great shortcut if there was a long line, and you had a short connection time!)

In the same issue, there was also a brief apology that due to ongoing construction, the Crown Lounge for the B/C/ and upper D gates has a much reduced size at this time. I found it quite crowded (after I finally found the new route to get to it!) because for now the only space they have is the original reception area and the former Royal Wing Lounge right behind it, plus the storage lockers and restrooms. The long L-shaped room is currently not available. It was so busy that I didn't even have a chance to ask when a "new, improved" Crown Lounge would be available.

Wiley Mar 5, 06 2:00 am

Minimum Connection Time at AMS?
 
on the way back from PRG-EWR, i have 50 mins in between flights at AMS. i spend a lot of time at AMS and can't possibly imagine it taking less than 50 mins to get from a european gate to a US-bound plane. i guess this must be enough time in theory, otherwise nwa.com wouldn't let me buy it. but isn't there some rule that for US-bound planes that the passengers have to be on board by a certain time? i'd be curious to hear what other FTers have to say about this.

Allanf Mar 5, 06 2:43 am


Originally Posted by Wiley
on the way back from PRG-EWR, i have 50 mins in between flights at AMS. i spend a lot of time at AMS and can't possibly imagine it taking less than 50 mins to get from a european gate to a US-bound plane. i guess this must be enough time in theory, otherwise nwa.com wouldn't let me buy it. but isn't there some rule that for US-bound planes that the passengers have to be on board by a certain time? i'd be curious to hear what other FTers have to say about this.

Could you talk NW into getting you on an earlier flight from PRG? 50 minutes is legal at AMS for connecting to an international flight. BUT in theory you are supposed to be on board 30 minutes prior to departure and then there is a long walk to the E/F/G concourse and there can be rather long delays to get through security right before you enter that part of the airport. Then lines tend to be long and slow going through security again at the actual gate. So check your luggage - there may not be much room left for carry-on luggage by the time you get on board unless you are in WBC. AND you have no time to visit the Duty Free shop. :(

LAXRuss Mar 5, 06 4:40 am

While I'm not a specialist with connection times, all I can say is that Amsterdam is so much SMALLER and so much EASIER to transit compared to Frankfurt or Paris (or even DTW and MSP for that matter). Based on my personal experience, 50 minutes should be more than enough time to change planes unless your Prague-Amsterdam flight is delayed.

On the connections I take via Amsterdam, I am often stuck with 4 to 5 hour layovers. I personally would welcome a schedule with a 50 minute layover in Amsterdam and would take it in a heartbeat if it were offered on the routes I use. I would simply consider three factors: (1) whether you could potentially afford to experience a forced overnight if you miss your connection; similarly whether there are later flights to the U.S. the same day so NW/KL could rebook you if you miss the connection; (2) if you are concerned about making the connection because of the walk between flights, you might consider calling reservations and requesting a handicapped cart for the connection if that is offered; (3) With a 50 minute layover, I would assume you would be transferring directly between flights, no time for airline clubs, duty-free shopping or other sightseeing in the airport.

Personally the walks I have experienced between flights in AMS are far less distance than changing planes in DTW or MSP

Jano Mar 5, 06 8:05 am


Originally Posted by Wiley
on the way back from PRG-EWR, i have 50 mins in between flights at AMS. i spend a lot of time at AMS and can't possibly imagine it taking less than 50 mins to get from a european gate to a US-bound plane. i guess this must be enough time in theory, otherwise nwa.com wouldn't let me buy it. but isn't there some rule that for US-bound planes that the passengers have to be on board by a certain time? i'd be curious to hear what other FTers have to say about this.

PRG arrival is in non Schengen zone - the D gates
The departure to the USA is in non Schengen zone - one of them E games.

The end result is that you do not have to go through passport control. This pic might help you http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plat..._lounge_nl.pdf

I was flying BTS-PRG-AMS-DTW-TYS in May 2005 and I remember I did connect in AMS very fast, maybe some 15 minutes only.

AlexM Mar 5, 06 9:36 am


AND you have no time to visit the Duty Free shop. :(
Dute Free Shops are the rippoff of the year at AMS.
I usually buy a buttload of Winegums for office or home, so I use it as benchmark. :)

In FRA I always get them for less than 5 Euro. In AMS they are always 10. Gotta love the scam!

cpx Mar 5, 06 9:44 am


Originally Posted by Jano
PRG arrival is in non Schengen zone - the D gates
The departure to the USA is in non Schengen zone - one of them E games.

The end result is that you do not have to go through passport control. This pic might help you http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plat..._lounge_nl.pdf

I was flying BTS-PRG-AMS-DTW-TYS in May 2005 and I remember I did connect in AMS very fast, maybe some 15 minutes only.

I've easily made it from terminal C through the immigration onto
the terminal F (which is relatively far) in under 20 minutes.

Usually Immigration is a non-issue. it takes less than 5 minutes. But
there are peak times when it may take a little longer.

I think 50 minutes is just fine for any kind of transfer at AMS

tev9999 Mar 5, 06 10:19 am


Originally Posted by Jano
PRG arrival is in non Schengen zone - the D gates
The departure to the USA is in non Schengen zone - one of them E games.

The end result is that you do not have to go through passport control. This pic might help you http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plat..._lounge_nl.pdf

I was flying BTS-PRG-AMS-DTW-TYS in May 2005 and I remember I did connect in AMS very fast, maybe some 15 minutes only.

Are you sure? I did the opposite this morning. Arrived in AMS from DTW in the E gates and had a connection at D71. I had to go through passport control - only took about 15 seconds as the airport was very slow at 6am. Had two hours, but could have done it in 20 minutes (note I was first off the plane, so this could skew things if you are in 41J).

My connection is now 26 hours thanks to snow in MUC.

cpx Mar 5, 06 10:35 am


Originally Posted by tev9999
Are you sure? I did the opposite this morning. Arrived in AMS from DTW in the E gates and had a connection at D71. I had to go through passport control - only took about 15 seconds as the airport was very slow at 6am. Had two hours, but could have done it in 20 minutes (note I was first off the plane, so this could skew things if you are in 41J).

My connection is now 26 hours thanks to snow in MUC.

I think you are correct. You need to go through passport control
for the B, C and D terminals. (may be partial D)


here is a link with some information regarding passport control:

http://www.schiphol.nl/_controles_ve...=1141579861440

here is a nice map of AMS

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/airports/AMS.shtml

Jano Mar 5, 06 10:46 am


Originally Posted by tev9999
Are you sure? I did the opposite this morning. Arrived in AMS from DTW in the E gates and had a connection at D71. I had to go through passport control - only took about 15 seconds as the airport was very slow at 6am. Had two hours, but could have done it in 20 minutes (note I was first off the plane, so this could skew things if you are in 41J).

My connection is now 26 hours thanks to snow in MUC.

Some of them D gates are in the non Schengen zone, some of them are in the Schengen zone. I flew TYS-DTW-AMS-VIE on 2/22. I went to D78 gate and needed to go to Schengen zone. If I was flying to PRG I'd stay in non Schengen zone and ent to some of them D gates too.

If I remember correctly D52 and up gates are in the Schengen zone and they are located on the 2nd floor of D. Then D51 and below gates are in the non Schengen zone and are located on the 1st floor.

Regarding passport control line. You are right. Most of the time is very fast, like 3 maybe 5 people making the line. However, I had one misconnect (out of 13 times going via AMS on my TYS-VIE trips) last year due to a long line at the passport control . It took me close 35 minutes to go via passport control. Add to the that DTW fligh was about 15 minutes late on arrival to AMS and I missed my VIE flight and had to wait for 6 hours for the next one.

Jano Mar 5, 06 10:49 am


Originally Posted by cpx
I think 50 minutes is just fine for any kind of transfer at AMS

Until April 25 2005 I was saying the same thing. Then it only took my 15 min delayed DTW flight and almost 35 min wait at the passport control and I have to say that there are very rare exceptions to this. However, AMS is still the easiest hub to connect in EU.


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