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flyerCO Aug 3, 2017 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 28645462)
Think of it as two airports side by side. One international zone and one Schengen zone.

Schiphol is one of the easiest airports in the world to navigate. Signs are in English. You never leave the airside. Do not dally in the international side, although the casino and art museum are tempting. :D Just past F is a bank with pretty decent Euro exchange rates.

You will arrive in F or G. Go to the main drag (Holland Avenue) and follow it around. B thru E are the Schengen zone. Passport and security blocks your way just before E. You officially enter Schengen there. Lines can be long or short. Get through and spend any extra time on the Schengen side.

PRG rocks. Enjoy a Budvar for me.

No security recheck since arriving from US. Only passport control.

Grouchy Aug 4, 2017 1:30 am


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 28645462)
Think of it as two airports side by side. One international zone and one Schengen zone.

Schiphol is one of the easiest airports in the world to navigate. Signs are in English. You never leave the airside. Do not dally in the international side, although the casino and art museum are tempting. :D Just past F is a bank with pretty decent Euro exchange rates.

You will arrive in F or G. Go to the main drag (Holland Avenue) and follow it around. B thru E are the Schengen zone. Passport and security blocks your way just before E. You officially enter Schengen there. Lines can be long or short. Get through and spend any extra time on the Schengen side.

PRG rocks. Enjoy a Budvar for me.

As already stated; In OP case there is no security on your transfer . OP most likely will arrive in a D or E gate.
Keep in mind that C and B are the piers in the Schengen zone, not B thru E (D and E are non-Schengen)
After arrival of OP's flight the passport checks are taking place near the D pier on the border of lounge 2-1.

mglvrug Aug 4, 2017 3:17 am

Very helpful, flyerCO and Grouchy. Much appreciated.

calrick Aug 29, 2017 2:28 pm

Helping my boss... he does not regularly fly international and my own experience is only twice yearly -- but seldom the same international airports. On a Tuesday morning in September, he departs Edinburgh on DL 9354 (KLM metal) at 6:00am and arrives in AMS at 8:35am for a connection to DL 47 to JFK at 9:25am... a 50 minute connection. Where does he go through passport control and or security? Both or just land side in Edinburgh?

Will AMS arrival AND departure both be in Hall 2 and Pier E?

Where are the pressure points? Any advice I can offer him?

Thank you kindly.

Grouchy Aug 29, 2017 4:15 pm

Security and passport control will happening in Edingburgh. @AMS he will arrive and depart in Lounge 2 (non-Schengen). No security or passport control by the KMAR.
When he arrives he has to go to D1 (Delta PDC) there his documents will be checked by security hired by Delta and he will get his gate number, much of the time Delta flights will be leaving from one of the D or E-gates. At the gate, when boarding, again a quick check of his BP and passport by security employees hired by Delta.

calrick Aug 29, 2017 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by Grouchy (Post 28752483)
Security and passport control will happening in Edingburgh. @AMS he will arrive and depart in Lounge 2 (non-Schengen). No security or passport control by the KMAR.
When he arrives he has to go to D1 (Delta PDC) there his documents will be checked by security hired by Delta and he will get his gate number, much of the time Delta flights will be leaving from one of the D or E-gates. At the gate, when boarding, again a quick check of his BP and passport by security employees hired by Delta.

Thank you very much!

Lomapaseo Aug 30, 2017 10:16 pm

I'm planning on arriving from the states around 5:50am D1 svc and on a separate booking lv AMS-MAN at 0755. Doable in a slow walk?

Do I and my bags have to clear immigration and customs before I can go to the gate for my flight to the UK?

I realize that the separate ticket on KLM adds confusion but it saves me about $800 on a through fare

flyerCO Aug 31, 2017 1:20 am


Originally Posted by Lomapaseo (Post 28758267)
I'm planning on arriving from the states around 5:50am D1 svc and on a separate booking lv AMS-MAN at 0755. Doable in a slow walk?

Do I and my bags have to clear immigration and customs before I can go to the gate for my flight to the UK?

I realize that the separate ticket on KLM adds confusion but it saves me about $800 on a through fare

UK is not in Schengen, thus you won't clear immigration at AMS. Also arriving from US, no need to reclear security at AMS.


Male sure DL tags your bags through onto the connecting flight. They'll do it since it's a KLM flight. They may even issue the BP fot the KL flight.

Lomapaseo Aug 31, 2017 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by flyerCO (Post 28758672)
UK is not in Schengen, thus you won't clear immigration at AMS. Also arriving from US, no need to reclear security at AMS.


Male sure DL tags your bags through onto the connecting flight. They'll do it since it's a KLM flight. They may even issue the BP fot the KL flight.

All makes sense if DL cooperates :)

as a backup if the bags only get tagged to AMs, I assume I will have to collect them and enter the country in order to re-check them and of course pass through security?then

Does KL offer any medallion status upgrades on inter-Europe flights?

flyerCO Sep 1, 2017 3:28 am


Originally Posted by Lomapaseo (Post 28762652)
All makes sense if DL cooperates :)

as a backup if the bags only get tagged to AMs, I assume I will have to collect them and enter the country in order to re-check them and of course pass through security?then

Does KL offer any medallion status upgrades on inter-Europe flights?

Through checking luggage wont be an issue. DL/KL is one of the few times i dont worry when on separate tickets.

No upgrades on KL flights. Nor is it really a loss. Euro Business is simply regular coach with middle seat blocked on European airlines.

Fsulaw1 Sep 3, 2017 5:01 am


Originally Posted by flyerCO (Post 28763546)
Through checking luggage wont be an issue. DL/KL is one of the few times i dont worry when on separate tickets.

No upgrades on KL flights. Nor is it really a loss. Euro Business is simply regular coach with middle seat blocked on European airlines.

Delta should not have a problem tagging all the way thru. And we have been upgraded (even after using points) by DL on a KLM flight from DXB to AMS in November. Upgraded to whatever KLM's premium economy is due to status. Anyone know what that is?

kajonesbu Oct 22, 2017 1:13 pm

Flying MSP to AMS on Delta and then continuing on to Nairobi on KLM with a 2 hour connection. I haven't traveled via AMS before thus will we need to clear security/immigration?

Seems like sufficient time however I just want to confirm.

Ardecos Oct 22, 2017 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by kajonesbu (Post 28963184)
Flying MSP to AMS on Delta and then continuing on to Nairobi on KLM with a 2 hour connection. I haven't traveled via AMS before thus will we need to clear security/immigration?

Seems like sufficient time however I just want to confirm.

No security, no immigration. From the US you will go straight into the non-Schengen part of the airport. Flights to Nairobi also depart from this area. Just make sure your bags are checked all the way through to Nairobi.

SLCEO Oct 22, 2017 7:06 pm

So just today, I flew ARN-AMS on KLM with 1:35 to make my Delta connection to the States. First time at AMS airport...stunned at how massive it was. I made my flight with no problem, but it was a hike. I asked the Security clearance people if it was always so busy and they said today was relatively light! Had to go thru passport control along the way--chose the fast connection lane and got thru quickly. There was an automated lane for everyone else, and it was maybe 15 people deep per lane--so either way, no problem.

As a bonus, I got flagged for additional security at the gate. At first I was bummed...but then I learned that this put me in place for early boarding (ahead of even D1). So if you are tagged for extra screening, realize it is a good thing!

Fsulaw1 Oct 23, 2017 9:37 pm

55 min good enough?
 
I am flying DL from ATL to AMS, arriving 5:55am, 55 min layover before KLM flight to ARN, departing 6:50 am. Anyone see any problems with this? I know I have to go thru passport control, maybe thru quick connect line, but that is all, correct?

flyerCO Oct 24, 2017 1:46 am


Originally Posted by Fsulaw1 (Post 28968788)
I am flying DL from ATL to AMS, arriving 5:55am, 55 min layover before KLM flight to ARN, departing 6:50 am. Anyone see any problems with this? I know I have to go thru passport control, maybe thru quick connect line, but that is all, correct?

Correct passport control only. No security since coming from US. Yes use quick connect line. Shouldn't be an issue at that hour.

baccarat_king Oct 24, 2017 3:16 am


Originally Posted by flyerCO (Post 28969357)
Correct passport control only. No security since coming from US. Yes use quick connect line. Shouldn't be an issue at that hour.

Agree. And if you depart ex-ATL even close to on-time you'll probably arrive 15+ minutes early. They (Delta) tend to block extra time and the eastbound flights in my experience almost always arrive a bit early.

jamiestr Oct 29, 2017 4:35 pm

Parents are flying ATL > AMS on Delta in award J, landing at 8:15AM. Want to book a second PNR with KLM flight to OTP at 9:20AM. Would they be able to make it through security? For reference, both KL and DL sell this connection.

If we missed it, what is KL's rebooking/protection policy?

Grouchy Oct 30, 2017 3:07 am

Security? That means they have luggage not checked through. Forget it, certainly at that time and if they are your parents. (KMAR check, retreiving luggage, drop luggage, security).
On one PNR and/or luggage checked through: then no problem.

satish_ny Oct 30, 2017 4:25 am


Originally Posted by Grouchy (Post 28993269)
Security? That means they have luggage not checked through. Forget it, certainly at that time and if they are your parents. (KMAR check, retreiving luggage, drop luggage, security).
On one PNR and/or luggage checked through: then no problem.

Delta should check in their luggage through to the final destination and issue boarding passes for both flights at ATL even if they are on 2 separate tickets.

In cases as noted below, when more than one ticket is presented, Delta will continue to through-check baggage from the origin to the destination.

An entire journey (itinerary) consisting of Delta-marketed / Delta-operated flights
SkyMiles Award plus a ticket with Delta-marketed / Delta-operated flights
Delta ticket plus a ticket on the Delta partner airlines listed below:
Aeromexico (AM)
Air France (AF)
Alitalia (AZ)
China Eastern (MU)
GOL (G3)
KLM (KL)
Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Virgin Australia (VA)
Delta ticket plus a:
SkyTeam pass ticket
Ticket with travel on a Visit USA (VUSA) fare
Connection to a Delta charter flight

flyerCO Oct 30, 2017 7:48 am

Just ensure their luggage is checked through. No security on arrival for flights from the US.

mattya9 Nov 21, 2017 11:17 pm

Flying LAX-AMS-CPT with only an hour in AMS. Never been there before and will have checked a bag in LAX. Flying in business class with my wife using GUC's (not sure if that matters or not) and I'm a DM. Anyone see any issues here? Thanks in advance!

OPS

satish_ny Nov 22, 2017 6:09 am


Originally Posted by mattya9 (Post 29088050)
Flying LAX-AMS-CPT with only an hour in AMS. Never been there before and will have checked a bag in LAX. Flying in business class with my wife using GUC's (not sure if that matters or not) and I'm a DM. Anyone see any issues here? Thanks in advance!

OPS

If you check your bag in LAX through to CPT, it should be very straightforward.

mattya9 Nov 22, 2017 8:14 am


Originally Posted by satish_ny (Post 29088841)
If you check your bag in LAX through to CPT, it should be very straightforward.

Thanks!^^^

bgriff Feb 20, 2018 8:39 pm

Considering a TXL-AMS-LHR-NYC award ticket with the first two legs on KL and the third on VS.

Connection in AMS would be only 45 minutes, around 4pm, and of course requires going through passport control. I imagine that's a relatively quiet time of day at passport control but not sure? I've definitely had morning connections where 45 minutes would have been a problem.

Any idea if I should expect any trouble with checking a bag through from KL to VS? I imagine it's not common, though it should be manageable via normal interline processes.

gigglypug Feb 20, 2018 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by mattya9 (Post 29089230)
Thanks!^^^

this may come wayyyy too late, but posting anyway for anyone else in a similar issue: on a recent trip, KLM managed to misconnect my bag twice: once going PDX-AMS-ARN in J/Z, then again about a week later going STR-AMS-ARN in Y. In each instance we had about an hour on the ground...made our connecting flight easily, but then had to wait hours for our bags to arrive...

If you NEED your bag immediately on the other end, I’d make it a minimum of two hours...

wxman22 Feb 20, 2018 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by gigglypug (Post 29440550)
this may come wayyyy too late, but posting anyway for anyone else in a similar issue: on a recent trip, KLM managed to misconnect my bag twice: once going PDX-AMS-ARN in J/Z, then again about a week later going STR-AMS-ARN in Y. In each instance we had about an hour on the ground...made our connecting flight easily, but then had to wait hours for our bags to arrive...

If you NEED your bag immediately on the other end, I’d make it a minimum of two hours...

I thought I read somewhere that KLM was having some "labor actions". Which if true, seems to mean baggage handlers are purposely inefficient.

wetz Feb 27, 2018 9:10 am

Thanks in advance.

I'm arriving in AMS from ORD on United on a Sunday at 9:20am. I am booking a separate flight to Milan (AMS -> MXP), likely KLM. How much time do I need to allow in AMS to make the connection?

I'm carry-on only, if that matters.

dilbertsdaddy Mar 27, 2018 12:32 pm

I transited AMS last week and it was a total PITA.

I see people on here talking about making short connections and I don't get it.

I had 5 hours so it was no big deal but it would have been a problem if I had less than 90 minutes.

"Priority" security line took over 30 minutes. 75% of the bags coming through needed additional screening. Checkpoint was a total cluster, regular line looked to be well over an hour.

I was connecting long haul to long haul, so I did not have to go the Schengen area.

20 minute walk to lounge after clearing security.

I have been transisting AMS and CDG 50/50 but I have to say at this point I strongly prefer CDG. This is saying a lot because I avoided it for 5 years.

And what is with the showers in AMS? 2 hour wait. I have never had to wait in CDG. If you only have a three hour connection no chance of a shower! Just go to the hotel across from the lounge and pay for it.....

Rant over.

Grouchy Mar 27, 2018 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by dilbertsdaddy (Post 29573518)
I transited AMS last week and it was a total PITA.


75% of the bags coming through needed additional screening. Checkpoint was a total cluster, regular line looked to be well over an hour.
I was connecting long haul to long haul, so I did not have to go the Schengen area.
20 minute walk to lounge after clearing security.

Rant over.

1. Known issue sadly, they are starting to install new scanners (and you can leave everything in your bag once they are installed) if it solves anything i don't know but those scanners should be able to see a lot more (3D) and you're luckily the 'priority'line was open :p
2. ?? Coming from an int'l connection the distance from security to KLM's Crownlonge 52 is 150 meter, doable under 2 minutes for a normal healthy person. 20 minutes is almost a 2km walk.

dilbertsdaddy Mar 28, 2018 7:54 am


Originally Posted by Grouchy (Post 29574024)
2. ?? Coming from an int'l connection the distance from security to KLM's Crownlonge 52 is 150 meter, doable under 2 minutes for a normal healthy person. 20 minutes is almost a 2km walk.

I must have been the victim of their crappy signage and taken the long way

I've been through here at least 25 times and still don't understand it

Porter2112 Mar 28, 2018 9:23 am

Wife and I are headed back home from Rome to Florida this September with a 5hr 40min layover in AMS. Carryons only. Any concerns with us leaving the airport to see the sights in downtown Amsterdam for about 2-ish hours ? What if we have checked bags?

FCO to AMS is KLM (operated by Delta)
AMS to orlando is Delta

I heard that AMS has lockers (land-side) that we could put luggage in while touring downtown. Time of layover in AMS: 9am thru 240pm

SuperG1955 Apr 9, 2018 9:51 pm

We transited this past Sunday morning with a scheduled 60 minute connection on KLM to PRG. Our BOS-AMS landed early (5:35 AM) at D7. No Sky Priority line at Passport Control but we were given access to the EU line due to a tight connection. We had no trouble with a leisurely stroll making it to B-18 in 30 minutes from arrrival. We were in D1 on a 333 in 7A & 8A so we got off the plane quickly.

Our kids arrived late (6:05 AM) on the A350, DTW- AMS, also in D1 row 7. They didn't request a faster path through Passport Control and arrived at B-18 at 6:35 AM for a 6:50 departure. They were just in time for the 15 minute cutoff for the bus to the Fokker Farm but we had a delay due to a mechanical so there was no connection problem.

Their A350 had a 30 minute departure delay due to a large non working section of IFE in Y. The flight went out that way and was only 10 min late arrival. Their checked bags misconnected but were delivered to the hotel that afternoon.

Billy Mumphrey Apr 10, 2018 9:11 am


Originally Posted by SuperG1955 (Post 29622518)
We transited this past Sunday morning with a scheduled 60 minute connection on KLM to PRG. Our BOS-AMS landed early (5:35 AM) at D7. No Sky Priority line at Passport Control but we were given access to the EU line due to a tight connection. We had no trouble with a leisurely stroll making it to B-18 in 30 minutes from arrrival. We were in D1 on a 333 in 7A & 8A so we got off the plane quickly.

Our kids arrived late (6:05 AM) on the A350, DTW- AMS, also in D1 row 7. They didn't request a faster path through Passport Control and arrived at B-18 at 6:35 AM for a 6:50 departure. They were just in time for the 15 minute cutoff for the bus to the Fokker Farm but we had a delay due to a mechanical so there was no connection problem.

Their A350 had a 30 minute departure delay due to a large non working section of IFE in Y. The flight went out that way and was only 10 min late arrival. Their checked bags misconnected but were delivered to the hotel that afternoon.

Why don't you sit with Mrs. SuperG in the C/G seats? Are the window seats on the 333 that much better? I remember you two were seated together on our Stockholm flight a few years back.

How did your kids like D1 on the A350? I'm scheduled to try that out in July (also DTW-AMS) and looking forward to it, although the timing of the flight seems a bit too early for good sleeping.

SuperG1955 Apr 12, 2018 12:40 am


Originally Posted by Billy Mumphrey (Post 29624241)
Why don't you sit with Mrs. SuperG in the C/G seats? Are the window seats on the 333 that much better? I remember you two were seated together on our Stockholm flight a few years back.

How did your kids like D1 on the A350? I'm scheduled to try that out in July (also DTW-AMS) and looking forward to it, although the timing of the flight seems a bit too early for good sleeping.

That Stockholm flight was nice. The 4 of us got OPUPs and you were also paired with your wife on the 752,

I know it's contrarian but I'm not a big fan of the seats on the 333 for sleeping and we don't converse much on the Eastbound TATL's since we try to sleep. I prefer the 763 or 764 for daytime conversation and sleeping.

The kids (they are adults) had some interesting feedback about the 350. They were in A & B seats - she likes windows and they thought that they might be able to converse, which wasn't the case. They were impressed with the roominess of the individual space. They also liked the seats from a comfort standpoint.

There were a number of issues. I mentioned the delay for the non-functional IFE sectiion in Y. That's how they flew since there would have been a massive number of misconnects at AMS if they delayed any longer and DL doesn't have spare 350's sitting around DTW. It didn't affect them in D1 but they felt badly for the affected folks in back.

One major comment related to their only being bins over the A & D seats which got very full since the storage capacity is half of what it used to be per passenger. I know that I throw my carry on and jacket and also my duvet and pillow until I want them. That consumes a bin on the 764 or 333. A side effect of no bins in the center is that the convenience light is very far above the center suites. The light shines into adjacent suites and was quite bothersome. Those in the center realized that and no one used them.

They said that the rumble from adjacent seat motors was noticeably felt and annoying. I had told them to try all of the buttons and controls and they noticed that both they and other passengers were having issues with some of the functions.

This is the first TATL route for the 350 and this was just the end of the first week. Some of the issues are certainly due to the newness of the aircraft and the need to work bugs out but some are just poor functional design.

They're planning a trip to Japan next year and thought that the Premium Select seats would be OK for that trip. (They don't nonrev since they like to make firm plans. We do the nonreving in the family :cool:

PM me if you have more detailed questions.

Vegas Vegan Jun 16, 2018 11:51 am

Last week schedule change has left my LAX-DTW-AMS-OTP flight with a 65 minute connection at AMS-OTP. FWIW, Sunday flight arriving 12:30pm, departing 1:35pm. Delta/KLM on one ticket, so bags will be checked to OTP, is that correct?

Is the 65 minutes enough time to clear whatever it is I need to clear (and maybe outside for a quick smoke, unless there's indoor smoking lounges) or do I reschedule a later flight to OTP?

flyerCO Jun 17, 2018 4:24 am


Originally Posted by Vegas Vegan (Post 29873426)
Last week schedule change has left my LAX-DTW-AMS-OTP flight with a 65 minute connection at AMS-OTP. FWIW, Sunday flight arriving 12:30pm, departing 1:35pm. Delta/KLM on one ticket, so bags will be checked to OTP, is that correct?

Is the 65 minutes enough time to clear whatever it is I need to clear (and maybe outside for a quick smoke, unless there's indoor smoking lounges) or do I reschedule a later flight to OTP?

It's doable. It'll be tight and you won't be stopping for a smoke even if there is airside lounge. Note coming from US there's no need to clear security before connecting flight.

bennos Jun 17, 2018 6:00 am


Originally Posted by Vegas Vegan (Post 29873426)
Last week schedule change has left my LAX-DTW-AMS-OTP flight with a 65 minute connection at AMS-OTP. FWIW, Sunday flight arriving 12:30pm, departing 1:35pm. Delta/KLM on one ticket, so bags will be checked to OTP, is that correct?

Is the 65 minutes enough time to clear whatever it is I need to clear (and maybe outside for a quick smoke, unless there's indoor smoking lounges) or do I reschedule a later flight to OTP?

Yes, your bags will be checked through. 65 minutes should be enough assuming the inbound is on time, but you won't have much time to dawdle. Immigration shouldn't be too bad, but there is a quick connections line if it is. (If immigration is so backed up you can't even get to the maze, look for the toilets just before the immigration checkpoint. The quick connections line is just past it on the right of the main queue.)

On top of immigration, figure 5-20 minutes of walking depending on which gates and your speed.

david55 Sep 21, 2018 8:56 am

FCO-AMS-SEA: 1:10 minute connection in AMS
 
One ticket. KLM from Rome to AMS. Delta to SEA. Doable? Thanks.

pvn Sep 21, 2018 9:40 am

easily doable

look, if it weren't doable, they wouldn't sell it


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