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First Officer threatens to shoot Captain inflight

Old Oct 31, 2023, 10:11 pm
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First Officer threatens to shoot Captain inflight

A federal grand jury indicted a Delta pilot recently for allegedly threatening to shoot a fellow Delta pilot while flying over Utah in August of last year. The pilots disagreed over whether to divert due to a passenger medical issue. The flight did not divert. FO was authorized to have the gun in the cockpit. The DOT, FAA and FBI are investigating.

https://www.oig.dot.gov/library-item/39680

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Old Oct 31, 2023, 10:25 pm
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Delta is out with a statement confirming the FO no longer works for Delta. He flew the A320 and worked for Delta for 7 years. TSA confirmed he was removed from the flight deck firearm carry program.

Crazy they managed to keep this under wraps for over a year.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 12:02 am
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Has there ever been any incident where there was some benefit to having a gun in the cockpit? I haven't heard of any. This seems like a silly idea, but I'm sure it made sense to someone.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 12:07 am
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Originally Posted by cbn42
Has there ever been any incident where there was some benefit to having a gun in the cockpit? I haven't heard of any. This seems like a silly idea, but I'm sure it made sense to someone.
Well, it sure would have made sense to four crews on hijacked airplanes on 9/11.

If nothing else since then, deterrence is helpful. The terrorists dont know who is an FFDO (armed crew member).
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 4:55 am
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Too many lunatics with guns.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 5:31 am
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Not a single incident has been prevented by having (more or less sane) armed pilots in the cockpit. But, on the other hand, there has been an almost endless list of incidents caused by having a (more or less sane) pilot carrying a gun to work.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by cbn42
Has there ever been any incident where there was some benefit to having a gun in the cockpit? I haven't heard of any. This seems like a silly idea, but I'm sure it made sense to someone.

its the United States. We think the solution to everything is a gun. We live in this fantasy world thats going to stop a terrorist. And yet somehow other countries that dont allow guns arent having their planes overrun by terrorists. . But we have guns so we are safe. And we actually believe the line of logic.

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Old Nov 1, 2023, 6:39 am
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Originally Posted by Sheikh Yerbooty
Not a single incident has been prevented by having (more or less sane) armed pilots in the cockpit. But, on the other hand, there has been an almost endless list of incidents caused by having a (more or less sane) pilot carrying a gun to work.
Please provide the this endless list of incidents caused by a pilot having a gun in the cockpit. I have never heard of any.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 6:58 am
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Originally Posted by Sheikh Yerbooty
Not a single incident has been prevented by having (more or less sane) armed pilots in the cockpit. But, on the other hand, there has been an almost endless list of incidents caused by having a (more or less sane) pilot carrying a gun to work.
I'm not sure the general public would be made aware of any incidents prevented with this program.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:24 am
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Folks,
This topic is relevant to Delta, however a debate of Guns in America, Guns policies in cockpits etc will not fly. Last and final warning. Keep the thread on topic, or it will be closed.

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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by cbn42
Has there ever been any incident where there was some benefit to having a gun in the cockpit? I haven't heard of any. This seems like a silly idea, but I'm sure it made sense to someone.
It was a knee jerk program not well thought out. Safety would be much better served if the money had been put into secondary barriers for entry on all cockpits. Time to shut it down.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 7:57 am
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It's impressive that this incident was bottled up for 14 months before finally spilling into public view.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 8:10 am
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It's impressive that this incident was bottled up for 14 months before finally spilling into public view.
a premium containment job indeed.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by ATLflyer2017
Please provide the this endless list of incidents caused by a pilot having a gun in the cockpit. I have never heard of any.
More than 50 pilots have been kicked out of the program for violations, including one who threatened to kill himself. https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-a...program-217288

Accidental discharge inflight: https://abcnews.go.com/US/BusinessTr...ory?id=4513875

Pilot forgets gun in cockpit: https://www.ajc.com/blog/airport/fed...rq0DKDuSDBavK/

This program does more harm than good.
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Old Nov 1, 2023, 8:40 am
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If I was that captain, Im not sure I would be satisfied with simply having Delta terminating the FO. Id be worried about my own personal safety, and that of my family.
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