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What Exactly is the Medallion Same-Day Confirmed Fee Waiver Waiving?

What Exactly is the Medallion Same-Day Confirmed Fee Waiver Waiving?

Old Oct 21, 2023, 5:44 pm
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What Exactly is the Medallion Same-Day Confirmed Fee Waiver Waiving?

I'm trying to understand the same day confirmed fee and Medallion fee waiver.

There is a $75 fee for a same-day change. But, since the same-day change only allows you to switch if the same fare class as your paid ticket is available, isn't that change free for all tickets except Basic Economy? What exactly are you getting for the $75 fee? And what is the Medallion waiver waiving? Presumably that same $75 fee for a transaction that is supposed to be free?

Here's the page at delta.com: https://www.delta.com/us/en/change-c...-flight-change
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Old Oct 21, 2023, 5:53 pm
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Just because there is original fare class availability on new flights does not mean there is no potential fare difference. You are not considering advance purchase requirements on cheaper fares. If you are not changing same day, you will generally be subject to AP requirements based on ticket re-issue date, not original purchase date. Original booking class availability on flights let you SDC without regard to advance purchase and potential other fare rule requirements (certain fares can also have time of day requirements). Here are part of fare rules for DTW-LAX XFVQJ0MF roundtrip fares with 21-day AP and time of day restrictions. You would normally not be allowed to keep these fares if you are re-booking flights less than 21 days out or your new flights do not meet day/time requirements of originally booked flights even if there is X bucket available on new flights. These fares also have a non-stop routing requirement (online SDC will require following fare routing rules, while agents can at times waive them).


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Old Oct 21, 2023, 7:19 pm
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In other words, without SDC you are cancelling your original ticket and buying a new ticket, including the return if on an outbound. As mentioned, even if the flights are empty, you must buy a fare class with the new purchase date and even if cheap fares are “available” you likely will not meet advanced purchase requirements and cannot buy them. If you started with pricey fares it might be free/cheap to buy the new ticket, other times expensive. SDC lets you change a flight without replacing and repricing the whole ticket. This is especially important if other segments on your ticket are not available at low fare classes or sold out. DL charges $75 for SDC unless you are GM or higher and SDC avoids impacts on the rest of your trip.

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Old Oct 21, 2023, 10:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Paplover
In other words, without SDC you are cancelling your original ticket and buying a new ticket, including the return if on an outbound. As mentioned, even if the flights are empty, you must buy a fare class with the new purchase date and even if cheap fares are “available” you likely will not meet advanced purchase requirements and cannot buy them. If you started with pricey fares it might be free/cheap to buy the new ticket, other times expensive. SDC lets you change a flight without replacing and repricing the whole ticket. This is especially important if other segments on your ticket are not available at low fare classes or sold out. DL charges $75 for SDC unless you are GM or higher and SDC avoids impacts on the rest of your trip.
That makes sense - I was fixated on the only changes I had personally made, which were on the return portion of round-trip fares - which allowed changes on the return portion,
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Old Oct 22, 2023, 2:07 am
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Originally Posted by BigFlyer
That makes sense - I was fixated on the only changes I had personally made, which were on the return portion of round-trip fares - which allowed changes on the return portion,
i'm glad you asked. I've never really been clear on this either.
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Old Oct 22, 2023, 4:34 am
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Have never fully understood the “availability” of fares you can’t actually purchase anymore. It sounds fishy to the customer. Airlines would be more transparent having all/most of their remaining seats available for SDC with a reasonable reserve for paid walkups. Yes, there is an argument against that with people buying possibly-cheaper, later-in-the-day tickets and bringing them “forward” to game the system.

But a reasonable ability to SDC for free allows frequent flyers to actually… fly… frequently.
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Old Oct 22, 2023, 12:57 pm
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Have never fully understood the “availability” of fares you can’t actually purchase anymore. It sounds fishy to the customer.
All of revenue manage sounds fishy to the customer. The whole lots of fare classes, advanced purchase requirements and other fare restrictions ARE complicated but are aimed to maximize revenue and seem to work. One explanation I have seen is that cheap seats pay for operating the flight and higher fare classes are mostly profit. Leaving unsold allocated low fare class seats available not only allows for SDC but for people changing return tickets, including dates, and using original purchased fare class for repricing, if available, instead of applying advanced purchase rules for the change.

Not that long ago DL had a rule that award tickets canceled within 72 hours would not get miles credited back. This was in response to people booking multiple award F seats on a flight they were traveling on and canceling the award tix a few hours before departure to increase F seats available for upgrades. People will exploit any loophole they can find. This is a reason to limit SDC so folks don’t buy cheap tix on empty flights and SDC to expensive nearly full flights they really wanted. The airline version of WFBF, you want the expensive flight, buy the expensive flight.
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Old Oct 25, 2023, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Justin026
Have never fully understood the “availability” of fares you can’t actually purchase anymore. It sounds fishy to the customer. Airlines would be more transparent having all/most of their remaining seats available for SDC with a reasonable reserve for paid walkups. Yes, there is an argument against that with people buying possibly-cheaper, later-in-the-day tickets and bringing them “forward” to game the system.

But a reasonable ability to SDC for free allows frequent flyers to actually… fly… frequently.
It does essentially let the airline decide who gets to SDC and prioritize higher-fare customers.
If a flight is, say, Y4B2M1, then only people who had bought Y, B, or M get to SDC. The rest have to go standby or wait until closer in to see if more buckets open up prior to the gate to confirm the change.
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Old Oct 25, 2023, 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Paplover
All of revenue manage sounds fishy to the customer. The whole lots of fare classes, advanced purchase requirements and other fare restrictions ARE complicated but are aimed to maximize revenue and seem to work. One explanation I have seen is that cheap seats pay for operating the flight and higher fare classes are mostly profit. Leaving unsold allocated low fare class seats available not only allows for SDC but for people changing return tickets, including dates, and using original purchased fare class for repricing, if available, instead of applying advanced purchase rules for the change.

Not that long ago DL had a rule that award tickets canceled within 72 hours would not get miles credited back. This was in response to people booking multiple award F seats on a flight they were traveling on and canceling the award tix a few hours before departure to increase F seats available for upgrades. People will exploit any loophole they can find. This is a reason to limit SDC so folks don’t buy cheap tix on empty flights and SDC to expensive nearly full flights they really wanted. The airline version of WFBF, you want the expensive flight, buy the expensive flight.
I think you meant all of "revenue management" ...
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Old Oct 26, 2023, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by BigFlyer
There is a $75 fee for a same-day change. But, since the same-day change only allows you to switch if the same fare class as your paid ticket is available, isn't that change free for all tickets except Basic Economy? What exactly are you getting for the $75 fee? And what is the Medallion waiver waiving? Presumably that same $75 fee for a transaction that is supposed to be free?
Specifically, the domestic fares change provision requires the entire ticket to be re-fared using current inventory and fares, and measuring advance purchase to the reissue date - so it is identical to voiding the ticket and buying a new one at current prices.

Note that this is not a given, and that most international fares do not work this way, but SDC is a domestic benefit on DL and domestic fares require a total reprice.
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