Earning MQDs through hotels
#16
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#17
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1) When American Airlines introduced elite earnings by booking hotels (RocketMiles, BookAAHotels, etc), there was almost none of the doubt I see now - only "hey, I can book at this hotel and earn AA miles and elite credit!" I guess the difference is that AA miles are worth more, but the idea of booking through a portal for miles, elite credit, etc is not new.
2) There are plenty of non-Hilton/Marriott/Hyatt/IHG hotels to book where things like status, elite credits in a hotel program, etc are simply not relevant. If you re booking via Delta, American, etc, I recommend you book independent, non-hotel chains so you don't go into the property mentally expecting benefits
2) There are plenty of non-Hilton/Marriott/Hyatt/IHG hotels to book where things like status, elite credits in a hotel program, etc are simply not relevant. If you re booking via Delta, American, etc, I recommend you book independent, non-hotel chains so you don't go into the property mentally expecting benefits
#18
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: ATL
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Delta did what I think is a trial run for this, this past March, when they offered MQDs for hotel stays and car rentals made through their website.
based on a perusal of comments posted here, in addition to my own experience, Delta posted MQDs in a timely manner for those who pre-paid for their reservations, but not so much for those who paid upon arrival.
I was in the latter group. I called four times, with a total call duration of 7 1/2 hours, over a period of three months, before my credits were posted. I wont do that again until or unless I have confidence that Delta has fixed its systemic issues associated with such crediting.
If for some reason, I decided I needed the MQD bump from this avenue, I would pre-pay. And only if I had zero reason to think that my travel plans might change. Maybe a late in the year MQD hotel run or something, and where I am booking shortly before the stay.
As others have noted here, my experience when looking at hotel and car pricing through Deltas portal is that car rental rates were much higher than what I saw elsewhere, including my employers portal. Hotel rates were fairly close. (hotel rates were less than $10 per night higher through Delta for my hotel stays)
YMMV though.
#19
Join Date: May 2010
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Was there a place to enter your hotel loyalty program account number in the booking? If not, I don't see how the hotel would be liable/responsible for giving any benefits to the customer. Yes, they could potentially look you up by name, but wouldn't know to do so until you checked in, and then it would be up to the hotel's discretion.
Also, this program change doesn't really work well for people that have a large collection of hotel loyalty points...why would you book your vacation through Delta and pay for a hotel if you already have points where you can stay for free? (Doesn't apply to everybody here...).
Also, this program change doesn't really work well for people that have a large collection of hotel loyalty points...why would you book your vacation through Delta and pay for a hotel if you already have points where you can stay for free? (Doesn't apply to everybody here...).
I think I put it in the comments, but I may have just reached out to the Hotel and given it to them directly.
Their program actually said you get benefits, regardless of how your book. So they would be expected to give you the benefits.😂 I realize that thats not what you want it to say
#20
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Thank you all. Your points make a lot of sense. I don't have any loyalty to a particular hotel brand and my trips vary in terms of international/domestic. For example, I just set up a Marriott Bonvoy account last month, but I have had a Skymiles account since 2002.
I am going to Punta Cana and am not staying at a name-brand resort. The price on the resort's website was the same as through Delta's website/Expedia. I am hoping everything will be okay.
I am going to Punta Cana and am not staying at a name-brand resort. The price on the resort's website was the same as through Delta's website/Expedia. I am hoping everything will be okay.
#21
Join Date: Feb 2011
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The problem with these hotels booked through Delta is that, as I understand it, you won't get hotel program benefits or credits. Those are hugely important to me, so I won't be booking hotels through Delta, even though it would likely be enough spend to put me over the new DM MQD threshold.
To think that DMs would be content with Expedia-bargain rooms is a bit nutty.
To think that DMs would be content with Expedia-bargain rooms is a bit nutty.
I wonder if Hertz President's circle status and gold counter are recognized when booked via Delta.
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#23
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True, but hotels and 3rd parties generally do a very good job managing inventory. I book 3rd party hotel rooms around 120 nights a year and only once not ended up with a room. These are not rental car companies where a reservation is not a reservation.
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Even with Expedia-Bargain rooms one can earn gold status with Expedia after 15 nights in hotels / rental car dates. The status gives some minor perks and accumulates travel cashback.
I wonder if Hertz President's circle status and gold counter are recognized when booked via Delta.
I wonder if Hertz President's circle status and gold counter are recognized when booked via Delta.
#25
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What Delta needs to do is something similar to what AMEX has with Fine Hotels & Resorts properties. The deal with AMEX basically gives you the same (or better) benefits as status, and in my experience with Hilton, I get my Diamond Hilton benefits in addition to the AMEX benefits. Plus AMEX gives 5x MR points on bookings through their site. If DL were to do something like this with hotel bookings it would be an interesting proposition, but I don't see that happening. My issue with car rentals through DL is that any time I've cross shopped Delta over the car rental companies directly (with the AMEX Platinum discount) DL is always more expensive. My MQDs are going to come from buying more F fares and putting $75k plus on my Reserve card. I don't anticipate I'll use the hotel bookings, but time will tell.
#26
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The problem with these hotels booked through Delta is that, as I understand it, you won't get hotel program benefits or credits. Those are hugely important to me, so I won't be booking hotels through Delta, even though it would likely be enough spend to put me over the new DM MQD threshold.
To think that DMs would be content with Expedia-bargain rooms is a bit nutty.
To think that DMs would be content with Expedia-bargain rooms is a bit nutty.
Last time I checked I spend more time in a hotel and a rental car on a week long domestic trip than the airplane and clubs.
These people have lost their minds.
#27
Join Date: May 2010
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Exactly. What the arrogant Delta execs havent figured out yet is the airline is only about 25-33% of the journey. Similar to how their customers who have earned Diamond or Platinum the hard way, those same core customers who have higher tier status earned the hard way at hotels arent going to give up their status, benefits, upgrades, perks, points just to make Delta happy.
Last time I checked I spend more time in a hotel and a rental car on a week long domestic trip than the airplane and clubs.
These people have lost their minds.
Last time I checked I spend more time in a hotel and a rental car on a week long domestic trip than the airplane and clubs.
These people have lost their minds.
Nope. They figured it out. They want some of the rest of that money.
They know that apparently theres a subset of Americans, whose entire self image is tied to being a certain status on an airline and will probably jump through any hoop to get there. And some of you will still be here two years now jumping through the hoops
The only group that Delta is really concerned about keeping happy is the executives at American Express. Because, even though all of us are storming off to another airline six months from now, the net impact to Deltas bottom line on actual tickets, but will be negligible.
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#28
Join Date: May 2010
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Thank you all. Your points make a lot of sense. I don't have any loyalty to a particular hotel brand and my trips vary in terms of international/domestic. For example, I just set up a Marriott Bonvoy account last month, but I have had a Skymiles account since 2002.
I am going to Punta Cana and am not staying at a name-brand resort. The price on the resort's website was the same as through Delta's website/Expedia. I am hoping everything will be okay.
I am going to Punta Cana and am not staying at a name-brand resort. The price on the resort's website was the same as through Delta's website/Expedia. I am hoping everything will be okay.
I have done this with Deltas hotel booking at least twice I think, Ive never had a problem.
Its the same reason you did. It was a good deal and its not a hotel that Im ever going to have status on even if they have a frequent sleeper program.😂
Im a Marriott person and the Marriott options in Punta Cana do nothing for me Im not spending my vacation there just to get points
#29
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$27,500 is a lot of MQDs to fly to make DM. The good thing now is you can combine the flying MQD with Amex spend. Before it was one or the other 20,000 MQD or $250k spend. Now if you see that you will be a little short on flying MQD you can just prepay some tax to IRS in Dec/24 and get a refund instead of a mileage run.
#30
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Delta doesnt want to investment money on a similar AmEx FHR or Visa Infinite Luxury hotel booking portal, as this would cost too much money for a company that now brands itself as providing a premium [travel] experience. Delta is just an other player looking for a slice of a travel booking commission using Expedias back end IT infrastructure.
I find it assuming that Delta destroyed the independent travel agent commission by directing customer bookings directly to delta.com and is now going after the hotel and car rental industry commissions by dangling MQDs as a carrot. Delta has realized its a lot cheaper to act as a credit card marketer and travel agency, rather than focusing on itcore business of flying airplanes.
I find it assuming that Delta destroyed the independent travel agent commission by directing customer bookings directly to delta.com and is now going after the hotel and car rental industry commissions by dangling MQDs as a carrot. Delta has realized its a lot cheaper to act as a credit card marketer and travel agency, rather than focusing on itcore business of flying airplanes.