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Virgin Atlantic to Join Skyteam Alliance

Old Sep 27, 22, 6:31 am
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Virgin Atlantic to Join Skyteam Alliance

British long-haul carrier Virgin Atlantic announced that it would join the SkyTeam alliance. The airline announced the news at a press event held in London this morning. Delta Air Lines and KLM, both close partners of Virgin Atlantic, are also members of the alliance, making it a natural fit.

https://simpleflying.com/virgin-atlantic-join-skyteam-alliance/



https://uswallpost.com/travel/breaking-virgin-atlantic-to-join-the-skyteam-alliance/
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Old Sep 27, 22, 6:41 am
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Yeah! No more issues earning miles on codeshares.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 7:14 am
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I feel sorry for Virgin-Skyteam is by a long shot the weakest and worst alliance but it makes sense for them given the existing partnerships.

I do prefer their product over Deltas on everything except DLs A350.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by DLATL777 View Post
I feel sorry for Virgin-Skyteam is by a long shot the weakest and worst alliance but it makes sense for them given the existing partnerships.
Sure, Skyteam may be the weakest link of the three alliances, but it's great for my flying network and that's all that matters.

Jokes aside, Skyteam have a lot to improve but, it's a step forward with VS joining.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 8:21 am
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Virgin Atlantic is a quality addition. For us DeltaManiacs, not that much will change in my view as DL and VS already have JV and codeshares on most (? all) US routes to LHR.

Getting LATAM into SkyTeam should now be the next priority.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 12:54 pm
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Skyteam's DL/AF/KL presence in Western Europe is already pretty darned strong, I guess adding VS is just more of a good thing. I don't think it's going to change the game too much.

Now, SkyTeam please get someone else in the Middle East and SE Asia, instead of KE and KL doing all the heavy lifting...

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Old Sep 27, 22, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by wooootles View Post
Skyteam's DL/AF/KL presence in Western Europe is already pretty darned strong, I guess adding VS is just more of a good thing. I don't think it's going to change the game too much.

Now, SkyTeam please get someone else in the Middle East and SE Asia, instead of KE and KL doing all the heavy lifting...
MEA and Saudia in the Middle East, and Saudia flies a lot of long haul routes.

Xiamen, China Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, and Garuda Indonesia in East/Southeast Asia.

There's decent coverage in both of those regions.

There's nothing in Australasia or South America, and KQ can't cover all of Africa by itself.

VS doesn't really offer much to SkyTeam as a whole. There's no short haul network, and the bulk of their flying is to the US and Caribbean. None of their Africa/Asia flying is to another SkyTeam hub. This just doesn't make sense unless more news is coming. They already had the JV with DL/AF/KL. What could this move over VS?
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Originally Posted by Weekend Away View Post
MEA and Saudia in the Middle East, and Saudia flies a lot of long haul routes.

Xiamen, China Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, and Garuda Indonesia in East/Southeast Asia.

There's decent coverage in both of those regions.

There's nothing in Australasia or South America, and KQ can't cover all of Africa by itself.

VS doesn't really offer much to SkyTeam as a whole. There's no short haul network, and the bulk of their flying is to the US and Caribbean. None of their Africa/Asia flying is to another SkyTeam hub. This just doesn't make sense unless more news is coming. They already had the JV with DL/AF/KL. What could this move over VS?
VS have been getting flights into India and Pakistan and are thinking about starting service to CGK, PTY, CCU, and even looking into EZE, GRU and other South American options in the future. Their endgame is to compete with BA in terms of dominance at LHR, but nothing is set and stone.

If KQ absorbs SAA, then coverage of Africa becomes a lot stronger to be fair.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Weekend Away View Post
MEA and Saudia in the Middle East, and Saudia flies a lot of long haul routes.

Xiamen, China Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, and Garuda Indonesia in East/Southeast Asia.
Yeah, but those, like, suck, compared to what *A and OW offers in the same space. (Ok China Airlines is actually pretty good)
I will agree that VS addition is not much of a game changer at the moment, as I have said. It just ties up some technicalities that we may encounter as DL flyers (as mentioned, codeshare vs SkyTeam MQM/MQD earnings for one)
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Originally Posted by RobertS975 View Post
Virgin Atlantic is a quality addition. For us DeltaManiacs, not that much will change in my view as DL and VS already have JV and codeshares on most (? all) US routes to LHR.

Getting LATAM into SkyTeam should now be the next priority.
LATAM just don'tsee happening. They stated they wanted to go non-alliance when leaving OW. Also, just like CZ leaving ST, maintain close relationships with partners of former alliance.

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MEA and Saudia in the Middle East, and Saudia flies a lot of long haul routes.

Xiamen, China Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, and Garuda Indonesia in East/Southeast Asia.

There's decent coverage in both of those regions.

There's nothing in Australasia or South America, and KQ can't cover all of Africa by itself.

VS doesn't really offer much to SkyTeam as a whole. There's no short haul network, and the bulk of their flying is to the US and Caribbean. None of their Africa/Asia flying is to another SkyTeam hub. This just doesn't make sense unless more news is coming. They already had the JV with DL/AF/KL. What could this move over VS?
There's AR in South America. Also LATAM codeshares with a bunch of airline despite being non-alliance.

Oceania is the big hole in ST coverage.
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One would assume they are losing the ability to book award on NH. Bummer.
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One would assume they are losing the ability to book award on NH. Bummer.
Why? KL partners with non-ST airline, including JL. Joining alliance doesn't mean ditching partners.
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Originally Posted by DLATL777 View Post
I feel sorry for Virgin-Skyteam is by a long shot the weakest and worst alliance but it makes sense for them given the existing partnerships.

I do prefer their product over Deltas on everything except DLs A350.

​​​​​​​You know DL owns 49% of VS right? Nothing to feel sorry about, the only reason VS is in business through the pandemic is because of DL. They would have no alliance to choose from if not, because they would be Virgin Australia in receivership (right after I bought amazing business seats on them to Sydney!)
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Old Sep 28, 22, 4:19 am
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Originally Posted by RobertS975 View Post
Virgin Atlantic is a quality addition. For us DeltaManiacs, not that much will change in my view as DL and VS already have JV and codeshares on most (? all) US routes to LHR.

Getting LATAM into SkyTeam should now be the next priority.
Adding VS service from LHR to South Africa will be a nice add to KLM / AF.
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Old Sep 28, 22, 7:06 am
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you know dl owns 49% of vs right? Nothing to feel sorry about, the only reason vs is in business through the pandemic is because of dl. They would have no alliance to choose from if not, because they would be virgin australia in receivership (right after i bought amazing business seats on them to sydney!)
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i feel sorry for virgin-skyteam is by a long shot the weakest and worst alliance but it makes sense for them given the existing partnerships.
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