spongenotbob

Seems SCS hit a snag this morning?

Contradancer

When did I actually do this? 2001 maybe? I don't remember how long that link-up lasted. It was supposed to end up in a closer relationship and then poof. I'm in IT and I can only imagine the hoops that must have been jumped through to integrate Mileage Plus and SkyMiles for that brief period of time.

Contradancer

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When did I actually do this? 2001 maybe? I don't remember how long that link-up lasted. It was supposed to end up in a closer relationship and then poof. I'm in IT and I can only imagine the hoops that must have been jumped through to integrate Mileage Plus and SkyMiles for that brief period of time.

ab2013

The new flights were loaded last night. There's only availability for full-fare mileage award tickets right now ("NY" fare) for ATL-CPT - 320K SkyMiles one-way in coach. What a steal!


I'd give it a day or two for Delta's system to work though the changes.

kiwicanuck

the JV already Includes the AF LAX-ppt flight just as it includes any flights operated beyond Amsterdam by delta to India.

Dawgfan6291

Delta has been in and out of LAX-MIA (and FLL) more times than I can count.
Its a pretty big corporate market, which is why Delta keeps trying to get it to stick. This is actually one of Delta's more aggressive attempts. I think when they re-started it last time they started off with like 4x weekly 738 red-eye, then grew it.

but when you look at Delta's LAX hub, the glaring holes are MIA/FLL, ORD and then I'd say places like PHL/EWR/better service to the DC area etc. So I'm sure Delta has some corporate customers that are asking for the non-stop.
The other thing to look at is that Delta is growing some of its MIA flying (first MCO, now LAX. I'd expect some additional Florida flights to come as well) due to the LATAM JV.
No one is adding more South African flying as a US carrier unless a new bilateral is worked out.
Delta still loves SEA, just happens to be that most of Asia is still closed due to COVID.
Delta wont be expanding anywhere in Asia till things open back up. Once that happens Seattle will get all of its China/Japan/South Korea routes back. I expect at some point Delta will give SEA-HKG/SIN a go (again for HKG) at some point in the late future as well.
Probably not, at lest via ICN. Delta was flying ICN-MNL because KE was maxed out on its frequencies with the bilateral agreement between South Korea and the Philippines. With the KE/OZ merger happening, KE will be get the ability to operate a few more daily flights on ICN-MNL, which takes away the need for Delta to fly ICN-MNL.

The rumor pre-COVID was that Delta was going to try SEA-MNL. We will see if it actually happens.
Yes and no. We are still waiting for the actual language on the Delta and DALPA deal on scope but supposably it is going to force Delta to grow in the international market. So We will almost certainly see some growth out of SEA to Asia. I personally am hoping that (when everything is back to normal) Delta makes a push into HKG and SIN again.

N830MH

Right now they searching Filipino flight attendant. They will find it soon and then they will start nonstop flight SEA-MNL instead of ICN. No need stop in ICN.

Yes, it will be announced SIN or SGN or BKK nonstop. Last time they tried SEA-HKG and it did not work out so well. Due to low demand. They will reinstate SIN or BKK or SGN.

spongenotbob

You're right. The mileage fares are in (470K+$53 one-way for economy, what a deal) but the cash fares are not loaded yet.

Will be interesting to see where this lands.

xliioper

470K is current round trip pricing (not one-way) and are YSYR2350 awards in each direction. First letter 'Y' is for coach award. The third letter, Y, is the highest award level/bucket as they just reuse coach class codes for award levels (YBMHQKLUTXV). So they will likely release lower level inventory/mileage awards at some point. The 'R' in the middle indicates a roundtrip booking is required for this award level (as with many routes these days, DL has different award levels for one-way vs. roundtrip bookings). The 2350 at the end is just the mileage amount divided by 100 (2350 x 100 = 235K each way).

The 320K one-way awards are YSY3200 fare basis code awards. Again, highest 'Y' level (third letter) as that is all they have apparently released and no roundtrip booking required (lack of 'R' in the middle of fare basis code).

For comparison, low-level ATL-JNB roundtrip non-seasonal awards in coach are currently 66K miles each way (YSVR660 awards) with seasonal awards from 62K each way (YSVR620 -- PERMITTED 26OCT THROUGH 09DEC OR 10JAN THROUGH 31MAR ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR). Note the 'V' in third letter. In addition to roundtrip booking requirement, they have a 30-day advance purchase requirement and Saturday night stay requirement (from fare rules). There are cheaper award levels from other markets. JFK-ATL-JNB lowest level roundtrip non-seasonal awards in Main are 50K each-way (YSVR500 awards). With somewhat lower seasonal roundtrip awards for 47K each-way.

flyerCO

Are you sure not thinking of CO and DL/NW? I don't remember MP and SM being integrated in any major way. NW/CO/DL partnered up together. You could elite upgrade on any of the three, although rules varied. Then very shortly after, CO got NWs permission to breakup and started dating UA. (NW had veto power due to stock ownership of CO)

flyerCO

Part of SEA issue is capacity. Till new IAF opens no major changes for international flights.

As for AA and CPT/JNB discussion, AA has never AFAIK flown to Africa. Heck for Asia, AA didn't even fly to SIN despite UA/DL service. AA was predominantly focused on Europe and South America for the longest time.

lsquare

When can we expect the new SEA terminal to open? I really do hope that DL will build a decent tpac network. I would love to see HKG, TPE, SIN, and MNL in its network in the near future!

Does AA even care about Asia? They retreated from LAX and I see no evidence that they're going to make their SEA plans come to fruition.

moondog

They claim they do in their press releases, and I predict they will take advantage of their previously allotted China frequencies again after they are reinstated. I can't envision them wasting these on Seattle though (e.g. smallish market and Delta's hub operation is much more extensive than their AS partnership).

lsquare

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Either they go back to LAX or make DFW work if what you say is true.

moondog

They face competition in LAX from all of the major Chinese airlines. DFW is pretty much connections only, which doesn't matter for now because we don't have many choices. However, JFK-PEK might be a smart play before Air China and United get back in the game; connecting traffic isn't so important in New York. I mentioned SJC several times before so I don't want to beat the dead horse, but it seems like that's a lost opportunity (for both AA and DL).